D&D 5E Wanting more content doesn't always equate to wanting tons of splat options so please stop.

Corwin said:

So adult-style conversations are not a viable tactic anymore for hashing out desires at a table?

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Uh huh, sure adult style conversations, eh? I prefer bribery but heh talking could work.

Okay? I'm just not sure why your table experiences should be presented as any kind of baseline or expectation. It certainly isn't indicative of my experience playing D&D through the ages.

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Well as long as you are doing alright.

Corpsetaker said:

Ahhhh. I see they mentioned two class variants. The monsters don't really count because it's not adding any new mechanics to the game. Still not impressed and my main point still stands. Now if they did a big write up on that Gunslinger class that has sat at the top for ages then I may change my view a bit, but other than that no.

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Wait, so when your statement was demonstrated to be incorrect your argument changed to "Only if they did a big write up of that one particular class"... Seriously . Not just a completely arbitrary and illogical bar to set, but one that cannot possibly be met objectively because you can always say the mention wasn't long enough.

The options Azzy mentioned, the Wardancer in Dragon+ that I mentioned, and the new options in the latest Dragon+ somehow don't make the point that a "big" write up of that particular class would?

ccs said:

Nope. Just whatever I think might sound interesting. Same as I have to from any other company, WoTC included. Been doing that for 30 years +/-.... The only thing different is the delivery system.

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And to further make it easy to police what material sounds interesting, modern delivery systems also include being able to see reviews and product ratings, and finding out the author of the material is also quite easy - so a person looking for material they find interesting and mechanically acceptable can do as I have and figure out a reviewer that seems to share preferences and standards and see what else they've given a good review, or find an author whose work they enjoy and see what else they've written, or the opposite of either by finding someone with incompatible views so you know you can skip anything they've approved of or written respectively.

It has at least lead to great success in my case, and has yet to result in me picking out a product because of the reviews or the people credited for it and ending up being disappointed by it.

AaronOfBarbaria said:

And to further make it easy to police what material sounds interesting, modern delivery systems also include being able to see reviews and product ratings, and finding out the author of the material is also quite easy - so a person looking for material they find interesting and mechanically acceptable can do as I have and figure out a reviewer that seems to share preferences and standards and see what else they've given a good review, or find an author whose work they enjoy and see what else they've written, or the opposite of either by finding someone with incompatible views so you know you can skip anything they've approved of or written respectively.

It has at least lead to great success in my case, and has yet to result in me picking out a product because of the reviews or the people credited for it and ending up being disappointed by it.

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Reviews and ratings are often inflated with lies, or just with positive reviews/ratings from friends who make lots of accounts to "review" and "rate" with. I made the mistake of relying on reviews a few times. I don't make that mistake anymore.

Maxperson said:

Reviews and ratings are often inflated with lies, or just with positive reviews/ratings from friends who make lots of accounts to "review" and "rate" with. I made the mistake of relying on reviews a few times. I don't make that mistake anymore.

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I made the mistake of believing some people wanted to be my friends when they wanted to have fun at my expense a few times.

I didn't stop trying to make friends.

I did learn how to recognize fake people.

Reviews are no different - not using them at all would be a loss to one's self, much like trying to live without friends would be, so it seems a poor choice to make even though the alternative of learning to spot the fakes does take greater effort.

Either way though, it's up to you to decide which mistake you'd rather make - never getting fooled by false reviews, or never giving yourself the chance to find something you enjoy.

Shasarak said:

Well, any metric except producing product or novels etc but thank goodness its doing well on Facebook and Twitter.

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Producing lots of content is NOT a metric for success. It's a metric for producing lots of content.
I can produce a hardcover game book every year, but that doesn't mean I'm a popular game publisher. There are tonnes of people producing two or three novels a year via Amazon, but they might not be considered successful novelists. (Heck, I did write a novel. So by the metric of producing content = success, I must therefore be a successful author.)

If producing lots and lots of game books was equivalent to being hugely successful, 3.5e wouldn't have died after five years and Pathfinder would still be the #1 RPG (instead of #2 by a wide, wide, wiiiide margin).


Plus, the current conclusions from the FR novel line thread was that WotC was wrapping things up to license to another publisher. Like how TOR is the licensed novel company for Pathfinder Tales. It's an easier transition if they don't have two or three novels on the go. After all, the issue with FR fiction was always getting in new, good authors and WotC isn't positioned to acquire skilled novelists, unlike a dedicated novel publishing house.
And/or they want the new novels to be tighter aligned with the movie(s). So they're waiting for that to be further along. Which makes some sense.

The FR novels have always brought in some money, being best sellers. The fact that WotC evidently thinks they can make more money via a license partner - someone thinks it's worth that much to buy the rights - speaks highly of the success of the brand. They can get more money later so they don't need money right now.

So, ironically, the ending of the novels could actually be an indication of the strength and success of D&D right now.

Maxperson said:

In response to your, "Yeah huh!", sure.

Here's the difference. You're claiming yours as fact. Back it up. Mine is my opinion.

False Dichotomy. There are other possible reasons for their actions than your number 2.

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I'm replying with lengthy arguments and discussions that require both time and thought. You are replying with quick dismissive statements that require neither.
Therefore, you have repeatedly demonstrated that you are not worth discussing with. You are literally not worthy my time.

Good day sir.

AaronOfBarbaria said:

I made the mistake of believing some people wanted to be my friends when they wanted to have fun at my expense a few times.

I didn't stop trying to make friends.

I did learn how to recognize fake people.

Reviews are no different - not using them at all would be a loss to one's self, much like trying to live without friends would be, so it seems a poor choice to make even though the alternative of learning to spot the fakes does take greater effort.

Either way though, it's up to you to decide which mistake you'd rather make - never getting fooled by false reviews, or never giving yourself the chance to find something you enjoy.

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That's a False Equivalence Making friends =/= reviews. It's far easier to read people when you interact with them, than it is to try and figure out which positive reviews are lies.

Corpsetaker said:

Why are you trying to make my view into some kind of minority? I'm not a stranger in a strange land. I am a gamer who prefers more variant content and I am no where near alone in that want. Show me some kind of proof that shows me in that minority.

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Well, the decided lack of "me too" posts in these threads kinda points in that direction. The fact that apparently 2/3rds of games out there allow 3rd party products also puts you in a minority position.

The fact that 2+ years into the run, 5e is STILL selling spectacularly well also points to the fact that most people are apparently content with the content. I mean, if the majority of gamers want new content, why are all these PHB's flying off the shelves?