D&D (2024) Half Race Appreciation Society: Half Elf most popular race choice in BG3

bedir than · Sep 21, 2023

Scribe said:
There is nothing nuanced about that. Nothing subtle, or thought provoking.

"You can be anything, but we are mostly going to tell you how whatever you pick is mostly, probably, Good and Heroic."

If anything post Tashas 5e has lost nuance.

It's much more nuanced than 0-4e.

That doesn't mean it can't get better. But if you were to put all official D&D on a spectrum, 5e is the most.
Level Up is better.
And Tasha's doesn't remove nuance. It encourages a wider variety of stories with impacting power (at the species level).

Scribe · Sep 21, 2023

bedir than said:
It's much more nuanced than 0-4e.

That doesn't mean it can't get better. But if you were to put all official D&D on a spectrum, 5e is the most.
Level Up is better.
And Tasha's doesn't remove nuance. It encourages a wider variety of stories with impacting power (at the species level).

It absolutely is all removing nuance, and older editions did have more.

If you disagree that Wizards direction post Tashas has not been "more heroic, more good, all the time, for everyone" except for the clearly evil and lacking in nuance big bads, then thats fine, we can agree to disagree.

Saying 'everyone can be everything but you are mostly good and seen as good' is not a nuanced take.

bedir than · Sep 21, 2023

Scribe said:
It absolutely is all removing nuance, and older editions did have more.

If you disagree that Wizards direction post Tashas has not been "more heroic, more good, all the time, for everyone" except for the clearly evil and lacking in nuance big bads, then thats fine, we can agree to disagree.

Saying 'everyone can be everything but you are mostly good and seen as good' is not a nuanced take.

Older versions insisted that all women were inferior, unless they were hot.
Older versions insisted all half-orcs were offspring of war crimes
Older versions insisted that only one drow was good.

That's not nuance.

We're rid of it and that's wonderful.

Scribe · Sep 21, 2023

bedir than said:
Older versions insisted that all women were inferior, unless they were hot.
Older versions insisted all half-orcs were offspring of war crimes
Older versions insisted that only one drow was good.

Did they though? In any kind of modern edition?

Insisted?

Again, you can like the change but 'more nuanced'? Especially 5e post Tashas compared to 5e on release?

MoonSong · Sep 22, 2023

Micah Sweet said:
I look forward to seeing your Fantasy Heartbreaker where all your issues have been fixed, or failing that, a copy of the sternly worded letter to WotC you're no doubt in the process of drafting explaining all the things they "need" to do to meet your personal standards.

I know you said it in jest, but I'm actually thinking I need to write a Heartbreaker to "fix" 5e. Actually two. One to be super simple -and church friendly - including making race purely cosmetic, and another to go the way I'm seeing the official version plain isn't going (Make all classes start with subclass chosen, place all of the missing archetypes by freely raiding pathfinder, kill battlemaster and give maneuvers to all fighters, balance all classes on a short rest...) and have race be essentially cosmetic, instead moving the features to a new design space.

Tony Vargas · Sep 22, 2023

You guys have said "nuance" so much that I've lost the meaning of the word and have to look it up.....

a subtle difference in or shade of meaning, expression, or sound.

That's it? OK, ready...

Micah Sweet said:
Tell me about the nuance of WotC 5e.

Divine2021 · Sep 22, 2023

bedir than said:
oh, sure. that's easy.

Orcs aren't all evil. Drow aren't all evil. Goblins aren't all evil. High elves aren't all snooty. Dwarves aren't all scottish drunks. Paladins aren't all lawful good and are powered by the power of their oath rather than a god.
5e allows a much wider variety of stories than the socially backwards versions of the game did.

There is legitimately nothing nuanced or subtle about any of this—it’s blatantly focus tested to appeal to a certain demographic that finds nuance and complexity morally abhorrent lol

Divine2021 · Sep 22, 2023

Scribe said:
It absolutely is all removing nuance, and older editions did have more.

If you disagree that Wizards direction post Tashas has not been "more heroic, more good, all the time, for everyone" except for the clearly evil and lacking in nuance big bads, then thats fine, we can agree to disagree.

Saying 'everyone can be everything but you are mostly good and seen as good' is not a nuanced take.

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that people thinking making everyone morally bland is “adding nuance”, but I am. I’m reminded that DnD WoTC style isn’t marketed to anyone over the age of 35 hahah

Scribe · Sep 22, 2023

Divine1943 said:
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that people thinking making everyone morally bland is “adding nuance”, but I am. I’m reminded that DnD WoTC style isn’t marketed to anyone over the age of 35 hahah

At least we have BG3.

Divine2021 · Sep 22, 2023

Scribe said:
At least we have BG3.

Weird how much better that will sell than all of WoTC’s products published this year combined.

D&D (2024) Half Race Appreciation Society: Half Elf most popular race choice in BG3

Do you think Half Elf being most popular BG3 race will cause PHB change?s?

Yes, Elf (and possibly other specieses) will get a hybrid option.

Yes, a crunchier hybrid species system will be created

Yes, a fluffier hybrid species system will be created

No, the playtest hybrid rules will move forward

No, hybrids will move to the DMG and setting books.

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