D&D (2024) Comeliness and Representation in Recent DnD Art

MGibster

Legend
Definitely the more "gritty" art style more prominent in the 80s and early 90s.
I guess one of the problems with art is that we can all have our different interpretations. The big, burly guy in that painting doesn't look like an idealized version of a man he looks like a truck driver. Go to any truck stop in the United States in the 70s and 80s and you would have eventually run into someone who looked just like him. Dude looks like Grizzly Adams.

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Right? We demand more Sword and Sorcery and Chainmail Bikinis!
I oppose chainmail bikinis not because they're indecent but because they're painfully dumb. That's no armour, and as clothing material it is terrible; no one would do that. By all means, have barbarians running around sky-clad or wearing war paint only, but no chainmail bikinis. And no breastplates with boob windows either, that's even worse!
 
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Scribe

Legend
I oppose chainmail bikinis not because they're indecent but because they're painfully dumb. That's no armour, and as clothing material it is terrible; no one would do that. By all means, have barbarians running around sky-clad or wearing war paint only, but no chainmail bikinis. And no breastplates with boob windows either, that's even worse!

I am sorry, but I find your argument not persuasive on any front...

As I believe I have said elsewhere on this forum, if this is wrong, I never want to be right.

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DrJawaPhD

Explorer
Do we have young adult human characters of all classes that are portrayed heroically but are significantly above or below the BMI recommendations? Who don't appear to be particularly athletic? Who have acne or acne scars? Who have non-combat induced scars? Who have obvious vitiligo or hemangioma? Who don't look like they've had braces on their teeth earlier in life? Who look like they wouldn't be cast as a sorority or fraternity member in a stereotypical movie of the sort?
I didn't read the entire thread here, but this section got me thinking about Baldur's Gate 3 and how much easier it is to be representative in a video game than TTRPG book. BG3 character creation includes options for most of what you mentioned (plus other genatalia-related categories...), and I really noticed the importance of such inclusive options when my daughter was making her character - she had never heard of vitiligo before, but after googling it and finding imagery of RL people with vitiligo she thought it looked cool and wanted to make her purple-skinned tiefling have white vitiligo patches.

This is all much easier to do with a video game slider bar though than in a DnD book where you get 1 single image to depict "stereotypical Wizard", so I think people should keep that in mind when expecting every single image in a book to check the box of a minority / marginalized category.
 

MGibster

Legend
I oppose chainmail bikinis not because they're indecent but because they're painfully dumb. That's no armour, and as clothing material it is terrible; no one would do that. By all means, have barbarians running around sky-clad or wearing war paint only, but no chainmail bikinis. And no breastplates with boob windows either, that's even worse!
Context is very important for me. If I'm watching a movie about Arthurian knights, it's going to be quite jarring to see Morgan le Fay rocking a chainmail bikini. For Red Sonja? I'm fine with it. Silly? Oh, yeah. I used to be of the mind that chainmail bikinis had no place in D&D. Like you, I just thought they were kind of dumb and didn't belong. But there have been some changes over the last few years. We're supposed to accept that a 35 pound halfling is just as strong as a 280 pound goliath. That's both silly and dumb. So why not chainmail bikinis?
 

lall

Explorer
Okay with more/all human types in artwork. A reminder I can play a non-human. Okay that my character’s species is less diverse in that few/none are ugly/fat.
 

MGibster

Legend
This is all much easier to do with a video game slider bar though than in a DnD book where you get 1 single image to depict "stereotypical Wizard", so I think people should keep that in mind when expecting every single image in a book to check the box of a minority / marginalized category.
To be fair, someone had to go through a lot of effort to allow those options for us players, so kudos to Larian for giving us those options. There have been some oddities in games between how male and female player characters are depicted. There were jokes about World of Warcraft male orcs and trolls looking monstrous with the women looking more conventionally attractive. Perhaps my favorite was Star Wars the Old Republic which gave players four body types to choose from: slight build, medium build, large (muscular) build, and fat. See below for the fat body type for men and women in the game. Dude looks like a potato and lady smuggler there looks like what the kids today might call thicc. Girl got it goin' on.


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pawsplay

Hero
Context is very important for me. If I'm watching a movie about Arthurian knights, it's going to be quite jarring to see Morgan le Fay rocking a chainmail bikini. For Red Sonja? I'm fine with it. Silly? Oh, yeah. I used to be of the mind that chainmail bikinis had no place in D&D. Like you, I just thought they were kind of dumb and didn't belong. But there have been some changes over the last few years. We're supposed to accept that a 35 pound halfling is just as strong as a 280 pound goliath. That's both silly and dumb. So why not chainmail bikinis?

I would probably go the other way. Morgan le Fay is a sorceress and a drama llama; she could totally just wear a chainmail bikini and I accept that as something she might do. But Red Sonja is a fierce warrior, and in her original depiction was wearing a mail hauberk. The scale mail bikini was an innovation of some or another cover artist, and just became a thing early on in her publication history. There isn't a good reason for it.
 

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