sevenbastard
Legend
I also like how she basically pulled a Syrill. She went to do an unauthorized arrest and it went sideways destroying her career.
Spoilers Star Wars: Andor season 2
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I also like how she basically pulled a Syrill. She went to do an unauthorized arrest and it went sideways destroying her career.
MarkB
Legend
And given the nature of those prisons, she's most likely helping to construct the second Death Star.
Older Beholder
Hero
I've never understood this.
The heroes in the original trilogy stop the Empire from gaining control of the galaxy. Without the efforts of Luke and gang we don't even get the Sequels because the galaxy is enslaved.
Does Return of the Jedi undermine A New Hope because they're building another Death Star?
Were the sacrifices made during World War 1 undermined because there was a World War 2?
Zardnaar
Legend
More because it's a lazy rehash. To much reliance on lightsabers and superweapons.
And poorly executed Palpatines return. Lack of compelling villain (cf Thrawn 1991)
pukunui
Legend
I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. It's more that the sequel trilogy presents everyone from the original trilogy as failures.
Luke has failed at his attempt to create a new Jedi Order and has fled into hiding to be alone with his feelings.
Han and Leia's marriage has failed, and Han has gone back to being a smuggler -- and not a very good one at that, since he's lost the Falcon and is being hounded by angry loan sharks.
Leia's less of a failure in that she's still fighting the good fight, but she's been unable to convince the New Republic to stand up against the First Order, so she's having to do it on her own, and no one comes to her aid (at first).
The Alliance to Restore the Republic succeeds in setting up the New Republic, but it's ultimately a failure too! So riddled with unrepentant Imperials that it's doomed right from the start.
It just makes the OT characters' struggles feels so pointless. In Rogue One, Cassian tells Jyn that he and his fellow Rebel spies, saboteurs, and assassins want to feel like all the terrible things they've done were "worth it". The sequel trilogy says "No, not really. Your pain and sacrifice buys the galaxy a few decades of fractured peace before the Empire comes roaring back with an even bigger Death Star carved out of an actual planet and wipes out everything you fought to create in one fell swoop ... oh, and then the Emperor comes back with a fleet of Star Destroyers equipped with Death Star lasers!"
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Zardnaar
Legend
Old EU followed upRotJ a lot better. Han and Leia were togather, kids came later. Luke was a Jedi, set up his academy later.
New Republic defeated the empire for most part and signed a peace treaty. Empire reformed into a light side monarchy space Switzerland eventually.
If they lead with Children o the Jedi instead of Heor to the Empire I suspect things woukd be different. Good start you overlook the bad stuff suppose. You botch it from the get go you're in trouble. TFA doesn't hold up on rewatch by itself and retrospectively made worse by next two movies.
Prequels go the other way. Rough start, good world building though and decent finale. Rey movie box office could be very telling one way or another.
Andor S2 essentially gave us 4 movies imho. I'm guessing on a comparatively low budget vs actual movie.
pukunui
Legend
Yes and no. It also went a bit crazy with bigger Death Stars and Palpatine clones (and Luuuuuuke clones! etc).
Not at all a fan of the Yuuzhan Vong either.
But yes, the old EU did at least give the New Republic more breathing room (like a whole century!) and let Han, Luke, and Leia enjoy their success for the most part.
Yeah, that's what I was saying upthread. Those were essentially four TV movies that got split into three parts each for bite-size viewing. I would have liked more, as I've said, but I'm still happy with what we got.
Andor + Rogue One is peak live action Star Wars, while Rebels is peak animated Star Wars.
Zardnaar
Legend
Old EU had good foundation though.
The really dumb stuff no one got to upset if you say it's trash. NJO was mixed at the time, Dark Empire was mostly viewed somewhat negatively. It was a comic though.
Bad EU is something you read once in the 90s, thought it was crap and rapidly forgotten generally. Luke close was clever calling it Luuke was silly. Very early EU Renaissance though.
Back then the idea was kicking around the clones wars were republic vs clones.
Probably from canceled Kenner toyline. Poor RoS it's like Dark Empire but worse. DE at least made sense. DE1 was OK,c2 and 3 were bleah.
NJOs has been increasing in popularity it seems. Probably due to Vong and world events around 2001.
trappedslider
Legend
I used to have the full set of the Fate of the Jedi books, but then i donated them and kept only my original thrawn trilogy and the anniversary edition, along with a few other books from the old EU I liked.
Zardnaar
Legend
I think Fate of the Jedi was my last EU books I bought. They were something anyway. By that I mean not very good.
I'm wondering if Ahsoka S2 will mine them for ideas. Kinda hope not but wouldn't put it past them to adapt something not particularly well liked to begin with (see Dark Empire/RoS)..