Goodman Games Offers Assurances About Judges Guild Royalties

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Goodman Games has issued another statement regarding the situation surrounding its upcoming City State of the Invincible Overlord crowdfunder.

Goodman Games CEO Joseph Goodman opened by saying "I was personally very affected by the comments because many of the people I know and love are in the groups that were heavily affected so I don't agree with the bigotry, I don't agree with the transphobia, I don't agree with the homophobia, I don't agree with the racism, I don't agree with any of it and I don't want to be associated with it and I don't want any money from Goodman Games to ever fund it or be perceived as funding it."

The short version of the statement --
  • The funds which would have gone to Judges Guild (which appears to be 10% of the Kickstarter) will be placed in an escrow account managed by Goodman Games. Those funds will be used to reimburse the backers of the earlier unfulfilled Judges Guild Kickstarter.
  • The print run will be limited to ensure that once those backers have been reimbursed, no further revenue will be generated. This ensures that Judges Guild will not make a profit on this project.
  • If in some way the Kickstarter does exceed this threshold, Goodman Games is legally obligated to pay the excess royalties to Judges Guild. However, Goodman Games will match that excess with a charity donation.


Hi everyone,

Over the last day, I’ve been listening and reading the comments made in relation to our City State of the Invincible Overlord crowdfunding project. Many of you have legitimate questions which we could have done a better job addressing initially. I realize that, in the initial rollout, I should have better explained how Goodman Games plans to publish this product in a way aligned with our company’s core values.

A common sentiment in many comments is: “How do you know the royalties will be used as intended?” As we shared yesterday, our agreement with Judges Guild is that royalties from “our” 5E+DCC City State of the Invincible Overlord will be used to repay unfulfilled backers from “their” Pathfinder CSIO Kickstarter from many years ago. There is legitimate concern from many commentators asking how we will ensure that would happen and ensuring that no funds are used for any other purpose. I and the entire Goodman Games team personally agree, as we do not want any funds from a Goodman Games project (this or any other) used for any causes or purposes related to the things that we are diametrically opposed to. (Including antisemitism, racism, homophobia, or other bigoted causes.) Concerns about funds being used for other purposes by other parties have been taken very seriously.

Therefore, Goodman Games will set up an escrow account specifically to receive any royalties due to Judges Guild. Effective immediately we will take over administering the refund process for the 2014 Judges Guild “Pathfinder edition” CSIO campaign. All royalties generated from “our” 5E+DCC CSIO campaign will be paid directly into this account. No royalties will be paid directly to Judges Guild.

We will limit the number of copies printed of “our” CSIO project to ensure royalties do not exceed the “full refund threshold” of the original Pathfinder CSIO campaign. In other words, if every single backer of the original campaign requests a refund, and we sell our entire print run, the full value of refunds will be granted and not a cent will be left over for additional royalty payments.

All reimbursements to backers of the previous Pathfinder campaign will come from this escrow account, managed by Goodman Games and overseen by a third party to ensure the funds are used as intended with no other parties being a part of this process.

For the record: Goodman Games has no access to the original Judges Guild Pathfinder Kickstarter campaign. We were not part of it. Operationally, legally, morally and financially we have no connection to it (other than this new development). We are unable to access backer records. Currently we would ask that backers of that original project email info@goodman-games.com and include a screen capture of their original pledge info, with backer number as well as full name and mailing address. (This email address may change as we set up the mechanisms to deal with this process.) We will begin to process refunds following the close and settlement of the crowdfunding campaign. To the extent that the funds accrued in the Judges Guild royalty escrow account cover some or all refund requests, we will administer an evenly prorated amount or a full refund.

The goal of this post is to answer any remaining questions, so here is an answer to one more that I anticipate. “What happens to any money left in the escrow account after the refunds are paid out?” The “Pathfinder edition” CSIO project generated $85k in revenue. For “our” project to generate $85k in royalty payments, it would have to break $850,000, which would be an extraordinary campaign. I think it’s highly unlikely that will happen.

However, it has been represented to me that Judges Guild has already refunded some of the original Pathfinder backers, so perhaps the total refund requests will be less than $85k. And perhaps “our” campaign will do better than expected, generating a larger-than-expected royalty payment. The combination of these two factors means it’s possible there will be money left in the escrow account.

We are legally obligated to pay those funds to Judges Guild. If that happens, Goodman Games will match that remaining payment with a donation to a charitable cause that supports our values of inclusivity. We have requested that Judges Guild make a similar donation.

We will also be limiting the print run of the campaign to manage the amount of royalties generated by this campaign so that there should be no excess. This campaign will be a “one-and-done” print run. PDF copies of the materials will only be sold during this crowdfunding campaign. There will be no additional printing. If the crowdfunding backers do not pledge for the entire print run, the remaining printed copies will be sold into distribution to generate funds for the remaining reimbursements of the “Pathfinder edition.”

I hope this addresses the concern around “where the money goes.” If there are other questions I can address, please send them our way and I’ll try to address those too. As we said yesterday when the events of 2020 occurred, we had several projects in the works related to the Judges Guild property. This is the last former Judges Guild product Goodman Games will be publishing that we do not own the rights to. We have rights to other products, which we do not intend to develop.

The original City State of the Invincible Overlord, as first designed by Bob Bledsaw Sr and Bill Owen in 1977, is an amazing piece of TTRPG history that deserves to be seen by 2025 gamers. Our hope that we can find way to share this brilliant creation with 5E and DCC gamers, help resolve outstanding refunds for the prior Kickstarter backers and do so without any connection to racist, homophobic, antisemitic and other bigotry exposed in 2020.

Thanks for your patience as we got everything pulled together behind the scenes and having the faith in Goodman Games as a company and myself to do the right thing.

Sincerely,
Joseph Goodman
 

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From what I can see, GG had no legal, ethical or moral grounds to make the original Kickstarter funders whole in the first place. I feel like a lot of people are using this as some kind of moral high ground on GG's part. Somehow he is a white knight coming to save all these Kickstarter investors? Why is this his role?
 

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From what I can see, GG had no legal, ethical or moral grounds to make the original Kickstarter funders whole in the first place. I feel like a lot of people are using this as some kind of moral high ground on GG's part. Somehow he is a white knight coming to save all these Kickstarter investors? Why is this his role?

Ignoring the issue of JG's owner...

Many people (myself included) would feel it is unethical to have a new CSIO product crowdfunding while the last one sat unfulfilled. It's both insulting to people that paid money and never got a product, and makes people wary of giving more money. GG was attempting to address that head on.
 

From what I can see, GG had no legal, ethical or moral grounds to make the original Kickstarter funders whole in the first place. I feel like a lot of people are using this as some kind of moral high ground on GG's part. Somehow he is a white knight coming to save all these Kickstarter investors? Why is this his role?
I mean, if I had to stake a guess, they're trying to tip the karmic scales given, well, <waves at everything else>
 

The bit you’re missing is that JG did not have to pay, and were probably never going to be able to. So this really changes nothing for JG. They weren’t going to pay it, and they still aren’t. It does change things for the screwed backers though.

My brain starts hurting at the thought of GG backers effectively paying for their own refunds though. So if you were screwed by the JG campaign, by backing the GG campaign you fund your own refund. At which point—did you actually get a refund?
I think so, yes.

If someone backed the original kickstarter for $30 and then back this new one for $30, they will get $30 back and will only have paid $30 for the product they wanted to pay $30 for in the first place. It will be as if the first one never happened because of the refunded money.

If someone who backed the original kickstarted for $30 decides not to back this one, they will get their $30 back as a refund. I expect Goodman Games will get enough new people backing it because of their name recognition that those who just want money back will get it.

Either way it seems to me that the original backers are getting a refund.
 

From what I can see, GG had no legal, ethical or moral grounds to make the original Kickstarter funders whole in the first place. I feel like a lot of people are using this as some kind of moral high ground on GG's part. Somehow he is a white knight coming to save all these Kickstarter investors? Why is this his role?
Because he can?

I find this a strange criticism when others are more pertinent.
 

@Morrus Does Goodman Games have to take money that exceeds the threshold? Can it turn back money above and beyond what is required, plus enough to provide the product to the excess backers and make no money off the extras?

"If in some way the Kickstarter does exceed this threshold, Goodman Games is legally obligated to pay the excess royalties to Judges Guild. However, Goodman Games will match that excess with a charity donation."
 

From what I can see, GG had no legal, ethical or moral grounds to make the original Kickstarter funders whole in the first place. I feel like a lot of people are using this as some kind of moral high ground on GG's part. Somehow he is a white knight coming to save all these Kickstarter investors? Why is this his role?
they are licensing a product, the money for that goes somewhere, that somewhere is either JG, or, with JG's agreement their KS backers. Out of the two options, refunding the backers is clearly the better one
 

Because he can?

I find this a strange criticism when others are more pertinent.
My point being that this is his excuse for getting in bed with JG. And somehow, he thinks this makes it ok. But it's circular.

"Why are you printing this thing?" "So I can refund the original funders."
"Why are you refunding the original funders?" "So I can print this thing."

Which tells me, he is using this for cover. It seems like a bunch of people think it's totally awesome he's going to refund the original funders. And he's gonna wave his magic wand so that JG doesn't profit off this. Meanwhile, they already have. Bledsaw has crawled out from under his rock and used this opportunity to advertise. Way to go, Joe!
 

My point being that this is his excuse for getting in bed with JG. And somehow, he thinks this makes it ok. But it's circular.

"Why are you printing this thing?" "So I can refund the original funders."
"Why are you refunding the original funders?" "So I can print this thing."
I doubt the reason to print it is to refund the original backers, the reason is to preserve the CSIO and make some money for GG in the process, the way to do this without giving money to JG is to refund their backers

And he's gonna wave his magic wand so that JG doesn't profit off this. Meanwhile, they already have. Bledsaw has crawled out from under his rock and used this opportunity to advertise. Way to go, Joe!
agreed, it already has a negative impact, JG and Bledsaw are profiting
 

I doubt the reason to print it is to refund the original backers, the reason is to preserve the CSIO and make some money for GG in the process, the way to do this without giving money to JG is to refund their backers
I suspect even the money is secondary and Goodman just really wants to do this product. And he seems to think that he has created conditions under which it is acceptable to do this even though he is working with an open anti-Semite and white supremacist.
Having thought about this for a couple of days and checking comments below the announcement posts on Facebook, I believe he might be right for some portion of his customers, but I still think he underestimates how many people he upsets with this decision. I don't think this will stop him at this point, but personally, I find myself a lot less enthusiastic about Goodman Games than I was before the CSIO project.
I hope Goodman is willing to get interviewed by Morrus, because I still think it would be good to have someone ask him direct questions about his decision and how he justifies it.
 

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