Divinity video game from Larian - may use AI trained on own assets and to help development

No, it's pro-AI, you might not be conscious of that, or willing to accept it, but you're not "the voice of reason" here, your argument is simply "well capitalism can push worthless drivel and we just have to accept it".
Even using your reframe of what I said in the most negative terms, please tell me where it's wrong. You already said how capitalism pushed the automobile, so tell me why capitalism pushing AI will not cause it to stay.
 

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Even using your reframe of what I said in the most negative terms, please tell me where it's wrong. You already said how capitalism pushed the automobile, so tell me why capitalism pushing AI will not cause it to stay.
What I'm asking is, is that your argument?

Is your argument just defeatism, that because we failed to stop the car, we will fail to stop GenAI being needlessly shoved into every crevice of society? Because if so, we can be certain of environmental collapse, and sooner rather than later, because we don't have fusion, and GenAI sure as hell isn't going to give it to us (some form of AI might, one day, but it won't be GenAI or anything derived from GenAI, which is essentially an evolutionary dead end).

However you seem to be claiming that there are actual benefits to GenAI, despite your only example being "Well it's [unspecified amount] cheaper to run weather predictions using a GenAI-style model rather than the old simulation approaches", which is not a compelling argument nor self-evident.
 

You can't prove a negative.

You're asking for the impossible.
You're stating something impossible to prove and asking us to accept it on faith. Again, it is your claim so it is on you to prove it. It looks like you are saying here that it is impossible for you to prove support for your claim.

It's on people like you, who are promoting GenAI, claiming it's inevitable, to say that there is a societal benefit, that it does benefit people.
Such as the weather prediction that benefits people and the environment? Thanks, you reminded me that we already have examples where what you are saying is incorrect.

So far we've seen no benefit to people in general, only tremendous and increasing harms.
Disproven above.

Elon Musk is busily using GenAI to generate CSAM in public, and when confronted about it, did he stop that? No. He merely limited who can generate CSAM. Is that the societal benefit you're envisioning?
Again, you are confusing a tool for the uses the tool is put towards. I've seen horror movies where a chainsaw is used to attack people. That has nothing to do with making the chainsaw inherently bad, just the use that particular person is doing with it.

If your argument was "Yeah GenAI is no good, but you can't do anything about it", I could accept that as a somewhat valid (at least in the sense that I could understand how one would believe it) if defeatist argument. But your argument is that there is some benefit,
Because, as shows, it has had benefits like the weather prediction. That's not disputable unless you are willing to ignore facts.

and that it's more than merely the force that is, quite frankly, going to end civilization via climate destruction and making everything anyone says or does into a lie or suspected of being a lie. It's hacking at the tree that holds up society, frankly.
I agree with the second part -- with deepfake videos and swarms of AI social media bots the tool is being used by some to attack, undermine, or reshape our beliefs and what we think is true. Our critique and evaluation of sources will have to grow, and it already has begun among many. "Seeing is believing" is now outdated.

And again, none of that is inherent in the tool, it's how it's being used by people. Can people abuse a tool? Absolutely. Is this a tool where money can give you more access to it which can lead to bigger abuses? Sure, money can give you access to lots of tools that can be abused.

That doesn't convince me that it's going away. Nor that the tool within itself is inherently immoral and cannot also be used productively since we've factually have examples where it can.
 

What I'm asking is, is that your argument?

Is your argument just defeatism, that because we failed to stop the car, we will fail to stop GenAI being needlessly shoved into every crevice of society?
This is a really interesting reframe of the discussion. It pre-supposes your opinion that generative AI is inherently immoral, so therefore making the prediction that it is too big to fail and go away you label as defeatism.

Since I don't accept that it is inherently immoral, it is not defeatism. It's just a prediction.
 

For the people unable to support their family, or start one, having a long term detrimental impact on our society?
All automation has reduced effort which can reduce headcount. Look at the loom. Are you saying everything that increases efficiency has a long term detrimental impact on our society?
 



Such as the weather prediction that benefits people and the environment? Thanks, you reminded me that we already have examples where what you are saying is incorrect.
ROFL. You've got this one nothing argument that you keep repeating.
Disproven above.
Nope. One tiny counter-argument proves nothing. It's worthless. You're pissing in the wind. Get a real argument.
Because, as shows, it has had benefits like the weather prediction. That's not disputable unless you are willing to ignore facts.
You haven't even produced evidence to support this claim. And no, "it has a tiny benefit so it's not bad" is a ludicrous position. You might well argue for using RTGs to power cars, because they could go for decades without refuelling.
And again, none of that is inherent in the tool, it's how it's being used by people.
It is inherent to the tools. You've described how yourself - once people are allowed to make up lies on the spot and produce fake evidence for them, we're screwed. The tools to do that should either not exist or be incredibly heavily locked down (and certainly not in use by just about everyone). As neither is the case, it is inherent.

I notice you keep avoiding the issue of massive climate destruction at a pivotal moment for the climate, and the obvious social and physical harms datacenters cause. Or did you just overlook those?
 
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Im anti AI.

technology has been killing jobs for thousands of years. Thats not necessary my issue with AI.

This is ethical use of something that is inevitable.

I dont like it but I hate it less than most uses of AI.
This is how I feel, too - I'm not saying that I'm okay with the use of AI in the world - that is a BIG problem that is mostly, IMO, tech investment scams. I think all the negative descriptions posted above are right about all of it.

In my earlier post where I downplayed it as not a big deal, I meant solely on the subject of Larian using it the way it's described in the OP. I don't judge them too harshly for it, because I know that they will employ and reward humans to the best of their ability.

Which doesn't mean that I wouldn't rather that the entire world drops this dangerous scam technology before its too late. (Though I won't hold my breath).
 

All automation has reduced effort which can reduce headcount. Look at the loom. Are you saying everything that increases efficiency has a long term detrimental impact on our society?

This is a tired argument. Look at the societal disruption around the Luddites, then look at the scale in which AI, if all goes to plan, will replace work.

If you want to end up a Government slave to UBI, that's on you.
 

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