D&D 5E (2024) A critical analysis of 2024's revised classes

FitzTheRuke · 2026-01-13T07:47:57+0000

Zardnaar said:
I kinda laugh when people claim polls are flawed. Biggest D&D edition ever. Translation is dont like something and got out voted.

People aren't really voting on good mechanics as ENworld would define them. They're voting for good enough and stuff they dont like/hate.

ENworlds out to lunch here. Not the polls.

My relatively minor quibbles with both 2014 and 2024 D&D don't have much to do with the UAs or their polls, and yet I think the polling was terrible. I wouldn't go quite as far as @mamba nor near as far as @tetrasodium in my condemnation of the process, but I have to agree with them - the process wasn't well concocted.

That 5e is a good game that is well regarded (a sentiment that I agree with) has nothing to do with it.

Zardnaar · 2026-01-13T07:52:01+0000

FitzTheRuke said:
My relatively minor quibbles with both 2014 and 2024 D&D don't have much to do with the UAs or their polls, and yet I think the polling was terrible. I wouldn't go quite as far as @mamba nor near as far as @tetrasodium in my condemnation of the process, but I have to agree with them - the process wasn't well concocted.

That 5e is a good game that is well regarded (a sentiment that I agree with) has nothing to do with it.

Depends on what one expects from polling. For me its a popularity contest. I stopped responding about a decade ago.

5.5 being backwards compatible i didn't expect much.

Sulicius · 2026-01-13T17:39:59+0000

I also find it funny that people here think they didn't do any other kind of testing, polling or even consider self selection in their surveys. Is it really that far fetched that these professionals might have thought of the same things you thought of in 10 minutes?

mamba · 2026-01-13T17:52:32+0000

Sulicius said:
I also find it funny that people here think they didn't do any other kind of testing, polling or even consider self selection in their surveys. Is it really that far fetched that these professionals might have thought of the same things you thought of in 10 minutes?

Could they have thought about it? Maybe, they didn’t change their approach to the surveys because of that however.

I am sure they did more testing, esp. since balance was not a consideration for the surveys in the first place.

Do you think any of this invalidates the issues raised about their surveys, because it really doesn’t change any of the conclusions about them

Interestingly they have changed their approach since, to one that addressed some of my complaints, for whatever that is worth.

Zardnaar · 2026-01-13T18:17:02+0000

Think of the surveys as a stress test for stuff players hate vs "better" mechanics.

CME made it through playtesting so the respondents aren't that great at noticing OP things.

mamba · 2026-01-13T18:50:46+0000

Zardnaar said:
CME made it through playtesting so the respondents aren't that great at noticing OP things.

WotC is explicitly not asking for feedback on balance in the UAs, the ones failing here are their internal testers

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