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I'm anxious to see what others think, but I'm starting to think I might be on the side of 3/4 BAB for the Mage. For the sake of argument, I thought I'd react to a couple points: To my mind, this is a mistake in D&D. A commoner is a guy who doesn't go on adventures; by 3rd level, your average PC...

To be clear, we are looking for a term to describe a mage's skill at casting spells, not the spells themselves. And while we're not looking to rename BAB, I think "Spell Prowess" is a possibility.

All-- Okay, two questions for the group, regarding the Mage base class: 1) Okay, it looks like we will be using caster level (as suggested) and making the die roll to cast a spell d20 + ability mod + half your caster level (rounded up). Since half your caster level is an important number (it...

(Why do you have to say I'm not "truely" funny? Seriously, when guys are standing around telling jokes, and someone tells a bad one, the guy who says "Man, that joke sucked" is just being mean. What did I ever do to you?)

I resent having my legitimate concerns referred to as "satire." I had urgent need to hear from a WotC representative so I could continue to live my life as I have in the past. Just as my girlfriend occasionally needs guidance from Oprah on what to think, and read, so I needed someone involved in...

I would like to note that I still have not heard from a WotC representative regarding these well-founded concerns. I think it is irresponsible of them not to accompany a life-changing event such as the release of 4.x with appropriate customer support. Due to my distress over the way 4.x will...

This looks like a great class, and I really like the core ability. But I still have to wonder-- is there any possible ay Reputation guy, or even saves guy, will be this attractive to players at 1st level?

Dawnforge is great. Most of the race talents won't work in our system, but some will, and it is an absolutely beautiful setting. Eberron is great too, but I'm glad I'm not the guy who had to decide which got published-- I would've probably flipped a coin. Personally, I don't like the gamble of...

That is, indeed, good news, but I am still concerned about compatibility-- especially my girl's Sunshine on a Cloudy Day spell-like ability. In 4th Edition, when it is cold outside, will I still have the month of May? Hopefully, a WotC representative will get back to me on these issues soon.

Just writing to say I think this forum is doing a great job getting all the info the together, especially MerricB. Seriously, everybody, keep it up, many of us are very grateful.

Once 4th Edition comes out, how different will my life be? Will I feel and think differently? I ask because I think I've found the person I want to spend my life with now, but I am concerned that my old emotions and experiences won't port over correctly to the new edition. Will our love be...

I don't see the advantage to keeping caster level. Why have two numbers, one of which is half the other? Just seems confusing, and the opposite of Saga's streamlined approach. I think there needs to be one number. On the 4E thing: Well, I certainly think we need to get this to market faster.

To be honest, it would have to be a lot better than the 3.5 books I already have for me to make that investment again. Seems too soon for another edition to me.

I was hoping to use d20 + half caster level (rounding up) + stat modifier, yes. As you say, eliminates the need for a bonus spell chart based on ability scores. Also, keeps the saves essentially the same as in D&D (although in D&D, it is 10 + Spell Level + stat, so higher level casters now do...

Again, I want to stress that spellcasting must be a set, level-based number ("caster level") rather than a skill like other Saga skills. Making it a skill forces us to assume that every spellcaster spends every possible feat improving spellcaster skill and determine DCs accordingly-- thereby...

Well, realistically, the "democratic" approach to game design has slowed things down a bit. Vigilance is doing a similar project with Modern in another thread, and he does not seem to be seeking input so much as updating people on decisions he's already made, and he's plugging away much faster...

This is essentially what Flynn and I are planning. Cast too many spells, and there starts to be a fair chance you may roll poorly and take a step down the condition track from exhaustion. We're just doing it without spell slots. I hate the idea of cluttering up Saga's streamlined class tables...

Not to be catty about this, but what games are these, and how often have you seen them played? For the vast majority of games, the Charismatic hero is an unattractive option, and Smart and Dedicated heroes aren't much better. The fact is, even in low combat games, the "strengths" of the...

Actually, I think we should follow Saga by having "medium" BAB be the minimum and not having a the lower BAB a D&D Wizard/Sorcerer suffers through at all. Part of the point of Saga is making characters more capable across the board, at low levels as well as high. I don't think the Priest should...

Yeah, it did go too far. The number of players who go into a game wanting to be good at fighting clearly dwarfs the number of players who want to be lousy in a fight but good at negotiating or hacking computers. If you're going to have social guy and skill guy as separate classes-- a move I...