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Its is another rabbit in their hat.. and one that can be used many ways not just as get us to the dm planned event. The claim is that the Wizards versatility is basically too many rabbits. People do not like "escaping" much.... it's not heroic.

That time you didnt die because your party teleported out from under tpk may be situational but it definitely elevates the wizard value.

I really wonder if some people do not know the meaning of the word "simultaneously" or are just using a broader definition or something. I mean there is a bit of possibility if you are not needing role X right now how easy is it to switch roles sort of makes them simultaneous.

And I also get told Teleport isnt a very good spell... Fanaelialae

The party is about to tpk and the wizard whisks an instant escape for the lot of them.

Indeed it is potentially a chicken and egg issue my favorite character types become faded in some fashion.

Or its not because the choice was tactical and correct and the reason the knock was decided to be used was because they didnt think that was likely given the distraction they had already arranged or because of any of a dozen reasons.... also gee again sounding like DM has to arrange all his...

But you are through the door (and if not then those monsters where damn close in the first place)... its a choice that the non-caster rogue does not have. *its versatility

That The spells seem fall backs for when the other doesn't work .... similar to I try to pick the lock?... doesn't work, so I knock.

I have 2 favorite Characters In World of Warcraft but this one I find the most playable. One is a Warrior the following are from the defender/tank build, I wonder how one might build this in 4e LOL. I love that D&D inspires video games and is in turn inspired by them. A bodyguard stance which...

I am definitely a story driven kind of dm and making refresh a somewhat arbitrary thing works for me even when peoples refresh are approximately the same in the 4e environment. In 4e you have 2 encounters being one form of refresh called a milestone and 13A made their climactic/dailies refresh...

LOL, narrow it down so you do not have to actually discuss the problem.

Optimizer crowds are some of those pointing out the Wizards are powerful...

The ability to get from another class without losing much that is versatility a property of the class contributes to that (being a caster). A martial type cannot sensibly take 3 levels of fighter and 4 levels of paladin and 3 levels of monk without nerfing himself out of extra attacks. I think...

The details of the multi-classing system is in some part responsible for that versatility no other character required just a DM saying yes to multiclassing.

I think some of the wizards versatility/power is in how well it combines with other casters I wish fighters and monks combined as nicely.

And an optimized multi-class caster can do other roles better. Because almost everything in 5e is stealable. Especially if its kind of role defining as 5e wants role flexibility. Easy multiclassing and having what I would expect as core features in powerful feats have that as a natural...

And the game becomes Caster vs DM, sigh.

Yuck fake levels.. ie levels that do not mean power level

This is is what I have heard ... Gamblers like the crit fishing and they will continue to do so even if the odds average out not in their favor. I think the crit fishing should have been a Berserker/Barbarian thing and in Level up it is, but you can choose maneuvers/stances that do it for the...