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Whilst I didnt use these requesions,I did say things like: "You realise that it's a 3 hour trip, and you'll move at half speed, and that your in cramped conditions that will hamper your ability to fight, and it IS a water drain?' Having said that, I like your technique better. Hell, I was...

The issue here is that in that 6 hour period, the other 3 players walked off and did their own thing,..and ran into orcs, who are stationed in front of the citadel entrance. The players decided to attack. Please, read the decriptions I provided the players (see previous posts) and consider...

My apologies for not responding sooner. Think of the mountains in Lord of the Rings. Large snow capped mountain range. Before the dwarves dug their citadel into the side of the mountain, the ice flow melted down the side of the mountain and fed into the start of a river in the valley below...

Agreed. Agreed. I attempted to introduce a skill challenge. They decided to take 10 (see my previous posts for more details on this) The issue here is that during that time, the remaining three PC's out of the pipe wanted to push forward up the mountain road,..and they encountered orcs (see my...

Actually, the three party members out of the pipe instigated the fight. The orcs were not on patrol, they were defending the entrance to the citadel. I said something along the lines of "There are 9 of them" to which they replied "yep, we know, it'll all good, we'll wipe the floor with them"...

Yes, a fair analysis of my thinking at the time (except for the last paragraph - I didn't think 'screw it' etc, etc).

The only problem here, is that for those 3 hours, the other three players proceeded up the mountain road and took on nine orcs. The other two PC's were at least 2 hours away by this time. The two players had to wait out the fight.

I'm sold.:D I agree that I'm far from perfect as a DM. I did try to introduce a skill challenge for them, by they circumvented it by taking 10 on the checks (see previous post). To discover this, the PC's would of had to of travelled 3 hours in game time. The remaining 3 PC's wanted to take...

No, I just communicated the observable facts. No, but they did see evidence of the water erosion on the stone path they were using. The stone was smooth. Yes, to clarify, it's used once at midnight, 7 days a week. I told them this, except for the 'Probably closed' part. There was no...

Knowing the information I gave the players (detailed in my previous posts) would you, as a player, be willing to split the party for possibly 5 game hours and go up the pipe? Do you think 15 minutes actual game time pursuing this appropriate? Do you think the remaining party members, who...

I never said that the players knew the pipes were a dead end. What the players were given was the observable information around them. Based on this information, two players wanted to go up the pipes. The remaining three were staunchly against the idea. I just described what the players saw...

They travelled 3 hours inside the tube (admittably at half speed) before they got to the cap - not enough rope for it.

What! I'm supposed to be getting snacks and beers? Ripped off, all I got was a Tim Tam (although, admittably, double chocolate coated). ;)

I find it to be a real balancing act. With some quick questioning, players could metagame the significance of a particular road for example, by the manner in which I give or don't give information, if I am in the habit of only paying 'real' attention to the 'important parts' of the plot...

Lol, true,..so true ;)

Whenever I imagine ways to kill your character, I always start grinning ;)

*Possible Seige at Bordrin's watch spoilers* DO NOT READ IF YOU ARE PLAYING THIS AT THE MOMENT (Belisarius that includes you) Good questions. No, I didn't have to roll randomly to see whether the pipe opened. The pipe is used at 12 midnight every day, to wash away the wastes of the citadel...

Your reasoning agrees with my current thinking. The pipe climbers had nothing to do with the orc combat. However, they (the pipe climbers) are arguing for a share of the orc xp (to keep things fair and xp in line with everyone else). As much as I might like to, I'm having a hard time...

Heh, that certainly would of been the case if they tried breaking the stone. With the first crack, water would jet out in a fine mist, ..quickly followed by a multitude of cracks spidering around the initial impact. At this point in time, I would get to see which players are actually smart, and...

Had they succeeded (with magic for example) in fracturing the rock, they would of had torrents of water crashing down on them, sweeping them down the pipe, and affording them (assuming they passed enough endurance checks to hold their breath all that time), a magnificent birds eye view of the...