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Very well put, Gothmog. :D

If you happen upon it, please email it to me or post it in this thread. Seriously. :)

"Hatemongering"? "You feel 'responisble' to get rid of our prejudice and blind hatred"? :lol: Good Lord. You're speaking as if I'd started a thread to attack a real life ethnicity. If you honestly can't distinguish between making fun of a cliche fantasy race and real-life racism, then I...

Have you seen the illustration of Corellon Larethian in the 3e Deities and Demigods? He makes Clay Aikan look like John Wayne.

Hey, it's not my fault that you read "Why do elves suck?" as "Why do 3.5e elves suck mechanically?" If I were making a thread on that subject, I'd just put it in the rules forum. I also feel the need to point out the irony of someone advocating discussion as "mature adults" resorting to...

It's too bad that you can't fork threads here like you can at Circvs Maximvs, because this thread is seriously getting derailed (which I, admittedly, contributed to).

Maybe I will. I could also state Jason and the Argonauts as an example of an adventuring party. The point stands: Tolkien did not invent the concept of adventuring parties.

:lol: So you're telling me that it's not the supplement to end all supplements like its fanboys made it out to be? I remember a time when there were a couple of EN Worlders who would pimp the product in nearly every thread they posted in. :)

You're joking, right? Fritz Leiber created the original adventuring team, Fafhrd and Grey Mouser. And Conan was going through dungeons containing monsters and traps 20 years before LotR was written. The Conan story Red Nails is pretty much one great big dungeon crawl.

Read some Howard, Vance, or Lieber. The concepts of adventuring parties and dungeon crawls existed long before LotR was ever published.

It's interesting, really: In The Hobbit the elves were thoroughly silly; they'd sing bad poetry and get drunk on wine. But when Tolkien wrote The Lord of the Rings, elves suddenly became too dignified and pious for such nonsense.

Just a nitpick, but Gary Gygax has publicly stated more than once that Robert E. Howard, Jack Vance, and Fritz Leiber were much bigger influences on the creation of D&D than Tolkien was.

Great post. I would also like to note that this isn't exclusive to World of Warcraft either; in any fantasy MMORPG, the "pretty" races (usually humans and elves) are inevitably the most popular, which also means that they attract the youngest and most immature players. I have a friend who...

Covered. ;)

One of the only things that annoyed me about the extended edition of The Return of the King was the scene where Legolas out-drinks Gimli. Elves should not be out-drinking dwarves. It's like an unwritten law or something. Peter Jackson is such an elf fanboy. He even let himself get killed by...

Why must you always be so cool, Kastil? :) I once started work on a homebrew setting that didn't have elves, period. In that particular setting, "elf" was just another word used to refer to fey creatures like dryads, nymphs, and sprites.

Truly you have a dizzying intellect.

Crothian does this better than you.

One of the greatest tragedies of the database crash of 2002 was the loss of Forrester's elf rant.

I think Felon needs some Pamprin.