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The question for Dungeons and Dragons is: True to what?

Judging by our misunderstandings, I can understand your hostility. I've apologized already but if you'd like I can do it again. I'm honestly trying to wrap my head around this thing and you've thrown nothing but hostility and insults at me. Sure I got a little snippy in my reply back but I'm...

I apologize for the misunderstanding. Would you care to elaborate?

The third choice is that I had assumed it was a meaningful analogy. In other words, that comparing DMing a game to selling a product was actually supposed to mean something. I was hoping someone would explain how they thought playing a role playing game was akin to a business transaction because...

Don't get mad at me because a poor analogy is chosen. I don't go around comparing people to serail killers because they share the same anatomy (as an example). First off, this is an internet discussion and not a formal debate. Secondly, this very sentence is a false choice coupled with an...

An objectivist D&D game wouldn't have priests or mus because gods and magic don't objectively exist. Also you're a dirt farmer. I'm sorry you don't have the ability to pull yourself up by the bootstraps maybe you should be more creative and independent minded like me. I wish I could help you, I...

That's cool. I know that not everybody posting in this thread is being entirely serious. I was just noticing a thread through the conversation that sort of coalesced in my brain upon reading your post. Sorry for the misunderstanding!

I don't think this is a behavior exclusive to business transactions, though. I think this is just common sense. The problem with using it as an analogy is that it carries a lot of baggage with it. Baggage that I don't really think should be part of a (functional) social gathering. There's...

Considering we're only hearing one side of the story, I'm not sure I'm willing to commit to a judgement on the OPs situation per se. His comment about Ayn Rand (while very amusing, I must say) clearly demonstrates that we're not hearing all the pertinent details. However, I'm curious about the...

You and I clearly play RPGs very differently as I don't find your analogy to be very apt. I am having a very hard time wrapping my head around the idea that players who playi PCs are passive consumers of what the DM is putting out. In your analogy, what is the player's character? What is their...

In this particular analogy, wouldn't the players be the other musicians? And in the situation that one of the other musicians said: "Hey why don't we add a little jazz in there?" we could have a discussion about that because we're all adults doing this thing together. In my case, I would...

Maybe I'm missing something but I really don't see a problem with this at all. I mean, isn't this the definition of discussion? You say maybe people should be willing to hear things they don't like. That door swings both ways, my friend.

Yes, this is the heart of it I think. Thank you for your explanation. You can trust me when I tell you I would never offer to try and convert you to 4e.

I would like to respectfully say that you're not the one making the analogy. I would like to respectfully say that I don't buy GNS theory. Just because some guys got together on the internet and redefined some vague terms to try and describe some play styles doesn't mean that a) it's gospel...

This is what I'm talking about when I say an opinion is wrong. All powers in 4e can be used outside of combat. All of them can have "objects" as targets per the DMG. Rituals also exist but they aren't the only options for out of combat spells. Not only that (and I realize I'm on thin ice with...

im not offended or angry or taking anything personally, i assure you. I post on the internet because it's fun. I thought we'd have a discussion. I thought that's what discussion boards were for.

what if its the same salsa in a different jar and you still tell me that in your opinion, the second one is too spicy?

So you came around to the conclusion that the original thread was edition war, then?

What if I were to say something like: "In my opinion, water is terrible for you and no one should drink it!" Am I still right? Also I want to add that for you in particular, I don't care what you do or don't play. It really doesn't matter to me in the least. At least you're honest enough...

WoW is a fine video game and comparisons to it would probably be favorable if it wasn't for people intoning "4e is like DiabloWoW!" in order to dismiss it for the past 4 years.