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Man. It's getting hard to remember which site I'm on: enworld or rpg.net... ;)

Amen. And when it comes down to it, game systems are like @#$holes. Everyone has one, and everyone else's stinks. :D

To play devil's advocate (which I love to do), As a DM, for an NPC, you CAN just write down an AC, a To Hit, a few spells, and Hit Points. However, if you have someone in your group who is a "You can't do that, DM, it's not in the rules that way" then you are screwed, which is why DMs loath to...

I think the Dragonomicon has status for all age group dragons. There is also some monster cards on rpgnow that have them, but I don't remember the name.

Which makes this (and other) discussions more or less a pointless endeavor.

That's going way too far into opinion, in my opinion :uhoh: But that does touch on the heart of the matter: What is Rules Lite?

Or did he do a test at all, or just pull stuff out of his ass? Inquiring minds want to know. :lol:

I had a player like that once. We kicked his ass to the curb. Been having loads of fun since then.

Well, then let me be the first to thank you for being there to decide what opinions are baseless. We couldn't get by without you.

I had "Temple" at one time. When I spent a half an hour trying to find the tavern in town, I uninstalled it. Not having an easy way to find your way around a town did not add to my gameplay experience. I later read there were lots of bugs, so I do not regret my decision. The Knights of the Old...

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Oh yeah? Well... you... I mean, yo mama... BWAAAAAH! Mommy, the mean old forum man talked bad about me! WAAAAAH! :lol:

Christ. Had to read the rest of the thread this morning. It actually managed to go further downhill. Wow.

My Conclusion Well, this has been about as fruitful as a version war. We each have our preferences, and our levels of tolerance for trying new things. Some of us have never tried X, and are sure they wouldn't like it. Some of us have tried X, Y, and Z, and have settled on X. And, like in...

I'm afraid that is putting words in the rules-lite game's mouth. Rules-lite systems I have seen cover the basics. Notice being one of them. They just might not have 5 different ways of going about it.

I was saying that what RD and MM have been saying gives the appearance of d20 not only being more popular (which it is), but feels the need to put down so-called "rules lite" systems. This paints them with the Microsoft vs. the world brush (as an aside, I don't view MS as the big, bad evil thing...

And the rules lite fans would respond, "So what?" :) It's funny, but I had this same discussion when 1st Edition D&D came out, about the Paladin, Ranger, etc. I said at the time, is it really necessary to have rules about a specific kind of Fighter, when you could just play your Fighter as a...

Noted and filed. :\

There are a number of concepts in Burning Wheel that bowled me over. A characters background, beliefs, etc. are actually part of the mechanics. I am unable to go into detail as to exactly how, as I have only read the book once, but it is a brilliant concept. The learning by doing is fantastic...

I certainly won't! And don't let the spirit of what I was saying get in the way of you lasering in on only pieces of it to drown out the point I was making about big companies picking on small ones! [hugs and kisses]