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So what if it says they are "special"? They replace a regular attack one to one. To 5ekyu's point about shoves and grapples requiring the "attack action", that is true. Both descriptions state "use the attack action". However the book also states that regular attacks require the attack...

My bad, I should have said, "Any character can shove as a "reaction" if they get an attack of opportunity (including the shield master)". As far as shoves being used as opportunity attacks it is expressly allowed. PHB 195 -Melee Attacks -Opportunity Attacks ...To make the opportunity attack...

A shove is in fact an attack. Any character can shove as a reaction if they get an attack of opportunity (including the shield master) So what makes the shield master feat special if he is severely limited to when he can use it? My argument is that the mention of the "attack action" means...

Lances are most effective against Dragons. Demons hate swords. Dwarves are best dealt with ranged weapons. Elves can be best handled by hurting their feelings.

I have some training. These days there are a lot of excellent video analysis on weapons of all types that you can watch. I find the topic interesting personally.

I can live with that explanation. It makes a lot of sense if you think of it that way (style). However... if you are playing with encumbrance rules and are two pounds over which will the elf choose? Longsword or hammer?

If that is the case then why not make all weapons deal the same damage if its all abstract?

Change that "when" to an "after" and I can agree. Otherwise it is still just as ambiguous as an "if". Edit: Actually its worse... "when" is synonymous with "while".

Actually this is in how the game is played. You Must tell the DM what you are doing on your turn. You have to start off saying things like, "I attack", "I dash", "I withdraw", etc. If you say "I Attack" then the Shield master can get a bonus shove attack. There are very few extra attacks...

I believe I summed up with the following, "Since a shove requires an attack role it can by itself initiate the attack action." And to clarify here are the rules direct from the Player's Handbook on pages 192-195. PHB192 - Actions in Combat Attack - See "Making an Attack" section for rules that...

Good point. Who in their right mind would ever pay 15 p for a 3 lb long sword for when they could get a 2 lb warhammer for the same amount....

Weapon damage is also an abstract... the hit points separate characters of varying skill levels. Weapon damage separates the weapons. Better weapons should do more and cost more, same as armor.

You would put blunt weapons on par with bladed weapons?

Wow, so much logic. Tell ya what? You come to my place and I will let you hit me as hard as you can with your staff if you let me do the same with my spear...

Quarterstaff used to be a 1d6 damage two-handed weapon although I would allow 1d4 one handed. No way is it equivalent to a spear. No way. Sorry. I don't care how cool your monk looks spinning it around. Both staff and spear also have reach. Why use a staff then? It has other sublime...

If the "Attack action" must come first in the order then by that logic it would also mean that the bonus action would have to be last no matter how many attacks are allowed as part of attack action. I am curious how this explanation on the ruling goes. It sounds pretty inflexible.

I based what I had on logic and the rules as written. I didn't consider either game balance or consistency which is what I suspect the ruling was based on. I can live with it either way.

I posed that question as a way to highlight the fact that since it is the same either way then the Shieldmaster shove feat can occur at any point in the attack sequence. I then broke it down by listing all of the relevant rules that support this.

Normally you wouldn't. You would accept the first one that works. However a shove can result in a knockback or a prone so there could be other reasons to keep shoving. You may want to keep shoving to a cliff edge for example. I never said a shove doesn't use an attack role. In fact I said...