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Goumindong: I was gonna to deal with you tomorrow, but you just rub me the wrong way. *Sex with wife will have to wait* 1) As far as stunned opponents go, you cannot coup de grace them!! 2) Post #170, you said: "You need to hit with firestorm to do damage" - No you don't!! 3) Post #170, you...

2x Encounters each, check 1x Dailies each, check Non-damage dailies between, check So that there's less confusion let's do damage in encounter 1 (choosing whatever dailies you want), rest, use non-damaging dailies, then do damage in encounter 2 (choosing the remaining dailies). Bolstering...

You mean this one below? I will paraphrase... Yep, I did. What I wanted to do was to establish what the average damage you could depend on from a striker in a typical battle. What's the damage i can expect, round to round, if I had a typical 19th level striker in a party. Can I expect 98...

Tell you what Roxlimn, I'll challenge you to a War competition. We'll need some ground rules, the ones that come to mind for me are. You build a War Wizard, I'll build a "War Wizard" Cleric. Pick and post all powers 4x daily and 4x encounter, PP and Epic Destinies. We will add up all the...

180 hit points for normals is not low hit points. At 19th your average fighter will have 160 hit points, 175 with Toughness. Assume half hit and half miss, thats 59 or 39 damage (average 49). Still more than a wizard can do on a 100% rate rate with his most devastating spell. Your right...

Yes, I realize it's once a day, but your strikers will be hard pressed to even do 59 damage at 20th. And you do it in a burst 5 AREA I agree, no one can control like a wizard. You can post another 50 control powers of the wizard, I will still agree with you. Mongolia yells from the...

Logic equation 1: Control -> Denies opponents actions Denying opponents actions -> less damage to party -therefore- Control -> less damage to party Logic Equation 2: Damage -> Eliminates opponents faster Eliminating opponents faster -> less damage to party -therefore- Damage -> less damage to...

And if you miss with your Sleep +Orb effect then you better come up with Plan B. Oh ya, Solos/Elites have great defenses too. Plus sleep does no damage on a miss, that's a footsie. Fire Storm guarantees damage. Bigby's hand spells vs Solos & Elites: 1. You need to hit every round opponent...

I agree with Plane Sailing. To Grumindong: we are a calm and civil bunch here. A heated debate is always welcome, just without the name calling. And if you are who I suspect you are, DnD style forums are not anything like the SA or EvE-O forums. P.S. Long live the Nano-HAC :cool:

1. I chose Hurricane of Blood to establish what typical striker damage is at 29th level, which happens to be 60ish damage. Yes a rogue could get more damage to a single opponent with some dailies, but the Cleric will still do more damage overall in an AoE to multiple opponents. 2. I chose...

A pinprick you say... The theory: "War Wizard - Your delight is in powers that deal damage-lots of damage, to many foes at a time." - PHB 4.0, page 157. Set-up: 19th level cleric with 19th level power, stats, magic, and feats vs 29th level wizard with 29th level power, stats, magic, and...

You can answer your own question by comparing what damage the wizard spells do of the same level. You may then realize what all the hub bub is about. The problem with using a power like Evard's at epic levels is that you will be fighting epic level monsters, many of which can push, pull, and...

Well said Theziner, your comparisons of Shield vs Shield of Faith are right on. You mentioned opportunity costs and it got me thinking. You are right, a wizard has to control, it's his job, so a power like shield works for him because it keeps him controlling. On the whole though, the typical...

Clerics can AoE control at levels 1, 5, 9, 15, 17, 19, 25, 29. Clerics can AoE strike at levels 1, 9, 13, 15, 17, 19, 23, 25, 27, 29. And every one is a Wisdom attack power... so you can go to town with your Cha stat. Seems like a significant number to me. Plus you are implying that the...

1. I'm not ignoring that Shield is an interrupt and you can use it per encounter. I still think that a +2 AC to every member all encounter is superior to +4 AC/ref for a single guy for one round or less. 2. Yes Shielding Word is not as good as Shield. But then again, the cleric has better...

This is true, but Cleric can control just about as good as a wizard, although a wizard can do it more often. If you read through the cleric lists, you will find plenty of powers that blind, stun, immobilize, daze, and push enemies. And they can do most if not all of these controlly things in...

Yeah but the whole party can move and engage freely within a Fire or Astral storm. The party can't do that in an evard's or cloudlkill. Not even Arcane Mastery will work well in this case, unless your own party members are willing to immobilize themselves.

You can't be serious, have you even read the cleric powers? Lets look at level 2 utilities... Wizard's: Shield (+4 to your AC and ref for a single round, or less) vs. Cleric's: Shield of Faith (+2 to AC for ALL ALLIES and WHOLE ENCOUNTER) Cleric's: Sanctuary (+5 to all defenses, one or more...

The Problem is is that Clerics have a number of AoE's that damage and control just as well as a wizard. Then why do Clerics have to have the best AoE striking powers too? And as far as "second class powers" go, if you really look at some of the cleric attack powers, the cleric single target...

No one is arguing that the wizard can't control or that he can't lay down some damage. In fact, thats just about all he can do. The issue is that a cleric has a better AoE striking option over a wizard at some given level/s. I think we can find at least a couple level 2 cleric utilities that...