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But that's not facing rules, that's just using line of sight rules. Proper facing rules are absent in 2024 so far, and we're available on page 252 of the 2014 DMG. When we talk about facing, that's what we mean

Unfortunately, those are not facing rules. The DM can use that to determine if an enemy doesn't have line of sight of you, but it doesn't count as facing rules, and there is no section on 2024 like there was in 2014.

If you're talking about being able to see someone under the Invisibility spell with normal sight, then you're out of luck because Perception doesn't work RAW. The spell doesn't say that an enemy finds you, nor does it give a DC Perception check. The condition doesn't tell you how you can be...

There's none. You can do a word search in the 2024 books on DDB and you will find no mention of facing rules. Do a search on the 2014 DMG and you get the Facing rules in CH8

They bypass it, not end it

I play ToM, so this is certainly easier to pull off

In the case of the magic spells or magical abilities that grants the Invisible condition: special senses, abilities or magic are the only things the PHB directly mentions. Perception--which governs normal sight--is not used as a check to end it unless it is specified in the text. Here's the...

There were optional facing rules in the 2014 DMG, but they weren't transferred to 2024, so technically they're still usable as-is

That's abracadabra; goof off by your description is an action, not a spell They've been answered by @Imaro and are the same I would provide Exactly my point; Wisdom governs Perception, or the ability to notice things that are easy to miss using your senses. Neither are mentioned in the spell...

Even better: why doesn't the spell require you to roll for stealth nor does it require a Perception check to "find you"? The Perception skill specifically says it's used to notice things that are easy to miss using your senses, so why doesn't the spell require it, but the Hide action does?

Oh, we know; the sarcasm is dripping from your comments a mile away

Yeah, but @Charlaquin is just being nitpicking at this point

And thee line you included WAS present in the very last UA8 before the PHB release, yet people complained because it made Hide the same as the Invisibility spell, so WotC removed it. SHOCKER!!!! This is the text from UA8:

There was no such clause in the 2014 Invisibility spell either. SHOCKER!!!!

Oh God, that's exactly this player I mentioned (mischievous Rogue).

In other words, you can't be targeted by sight unless the enemy has the ability to see you. Again, why are people complicating this? It's not rocket science, unless they just want it spelled out in the book because they are too literal-minded

Oh no, there are some here definitely trolling or arguing in bad faith because this topic has been covered ad nauseum since the PHB released.

No line in the core books say that you can be seen with normal sight from the abracadabra spell since there is no Perception check involved, so this only applies to senses, spell and abilities that say they do. Please see my post above (#273). The Purple condition cannot define how you can be...

We're all repeating the same arguments from way back when the 2024 PHB released, but here we go again! Rules say what they do, so for those that are arguing that nothing in the condition or the spell says that you cannot be seen, I will point you to post #231. Basically, normal sight is not...

You realize that you continue going in circles right? It has been explained multiple times that the Invisible condition is a set of benefits and that it's how you gain it that determines how it ends. Hide is a physical act of you staying out of sight and this is backed by the stealth skill; it...