D&D (2024) Thoughts on Stealth and D&D2024

[Imaro]

If you are hiding behind something and the other guy looks behind that thing.....does he need magic or a special sense to see you?

This would be the new argument... Once you get the Invisible condition, you can't be seen without magic... now regular hiding makes you invisible which is honestly what ai think some people want stealth to do.

 

[Charlaquin]

Are you saying if a character is hiding, using the hide action, from an enemy behind a rock, and the enemy looks behind said rock, the enemy will not see the character hiding there?

Or if the "hidden" character moves into the enemies line of sight they won't be seen?

Under the interpretation in post 236? Both.

 

[Selas]

Yes, if you are "Invisible" LOL! But, you have a point... Then perhaps that clause needs to be under the Invisible spell instead? Which, SHOCKER!, it isn't... The Invisible condition should not be used for the Hide action. That is another issue with all this.

Regardless, to your question, does he see you??? According to the rule, not unless he uses Search or his Passive Perception beats your Dexterity (Stealth) check -- which at a minimum of 15 is not likely.

There was no such clause in the 2014 Invisibility spell either. SHOCKER!!!!

 

[Imaro]

Regardless, to your question, does he see you??? According to the rule, not unless he uses Search or his Passive Perception beats your Dexterity (Stealth) check -- which at a minimum of 15 is not likely.

Where does it say this? Where does it say only an active perception check can allow you to be seen?

 

[Guest 7037866]

There was no such clause in the 2014 Invisibility spell either. SHOCKER!!!!

You didn't need it in the spell... It was in the INVISIBLE condition.

SHOCKER!!!!

Where does it say only an active perception check can allow you to be seen?

Umm... I included Passive Perception in my statement, in case you missed it.

 

[Imaro]

Umm... I included Passive Perception in my statement, in case you missed itit.

I did but my point remains the same... where is it stated a Wis (perception) check is the only way to be detected?

 

[Guest 7037866]

I did but my point remains the same... where is it stated a Wis (perception) check is the only way to be detected?

I'll answer your question with a question of my own: in 5E how do you "find" something?

 

[Selas]

You didn't need it in the spell... It was in the INVISIBLE condition.

SHOCKER!!!!

And thee line you included WAS present in the very last UA8 before the PHB release, yet people complained because it made Hide the same as the Invisibility spell, so WotC removed it. SHOCKER!!!!

This is the text from UA8:

INVISIBLE [CONDITION]
While Invisible, you experience the following effects:
Concealed. You aren’t affected by any effect that requires its target to be seen.
Surprise. If you’re Invisible when you roll Initiative, you have Advantage on the roll.
Attacks Affected. Attack rolls against you have Disadvantage, and your attack rolls have Advantage. If a creature can somehow see you, as with magic or Blindsight, you don’t gain this benefit against that creature.

 

[Charlaquin]

Casting the spell grants the color purple until the spell ends and has only its components as a criteria for casting... so assuming those were used the answer is yes to the first part of this question.

Since purple grants disadvantage on attacks against you unless you can be seen by the creature... which the Goblin Warrior can't because the purple condition also grants concealed... all of which Charlie has until the spell ends (specific supercedes general rules), which it hasn't in this situation... sobthe answer to the 2nd part is yes.



Yes. See above for the same reason the Goblin Warrior has disadvantage on his attack


No. Charlie is concealed and cannot be targeted until they loose the purple condition via the spell Abracadabra ending.

Awesome! Thank you for engaging with that example earnestly. I agree with this interpretation.

Now, can you help me evaluate my homebrew Goof Off action? Repeating it here for clarity.

Spoiler

Goof Off
With the Goof Off action, you try to conceal yourself. To do so, you must succeed on a DC 15 Dexterity (Stealth) check while you’re Heavily Obscures or behind Three-Quarters Covee or Total Cover, and you must be out of any enemy’s line of sight; if you can see a creature, you can discern whether it can see you.

On a successful check, you have the Purple condition. Make note of your check’s total, which is the DC for a creature to find you with a Wisdom (Perception) check.

The condition ends on you immediately after any of the following occurs: you make a sound louder than a whisper, an enemy finds you, you make an attack roll, or you cast a spell with a Verbal component.

if Charlie stood on the other side of a source of total cover from the goblin, like a boulder, used the Goof Off action, and then came out from behind the boulder, would the goblin have advantage on attacks against her, would she have advantage on attacks against the goblin, and would Billy the Bard be able to target her with enlarge/reduce in that scenario? Once again, if you could refer to the text of Goof Off and Purple to show how you reach your conclusions, I would appreciate it.

 

[KYRON45]

This would be the new argument... Once you get the Invisible condition, you can't be seen without magic... now regular hiding makes you invisible which is honestly what ai think some people want stealth to do.

Doesn't regular hiding just make you hidden? Like, hide-n-go seek type hidden?
And doesn't stealth just mean you want to move from the thing you are currently hiding behind to the next thing you want to hide behind....and being stealthy is what happens between hiding spots? And if in between hiding spots i use my eyes and they point at you....doesn't that mean I can see you?
Am i being naïve?