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Good list - thanks!

To start a new thread rather than hijacking another, what spells have 1 round casting times out there? I am interested related to the Arcane Spellsurge mentioned in the thread... I know the Summon Monster/Nature's Ally spells have 1 round casting times. Sleep, a level 1 spell, also has a one...

Is there a listing of spells that have a 1 round casting time? I know the Summon Monster spells, but what else? You can't really sort the SRD that way, and even the spell search feature on there does not allow you to pick Casting Time. Thanks

I could swear there is a spell that allows the caster to steal control of somebody's summoned creature. In looking through my spell compendium, I could not find it. Am I blind, or is it in a 3rd party book somewhere? Thanks

good point - spellcrafting what spell is being cast is also a Free Action, which basically takes no time and is less than even a Swift or Immediate action.

And, at higher levels, you have Mage's Disjunction and Dispel Magic-Chain, among other spells.

I would agree - two level 20 sorcerers would be way more challenging than one lich that is a level 20 caster. You would have 2 bad guys flinging level 8 and 9 spells around instead of 1. Didn't think about it that way until you pointed it out.

Just curious - why is CR+2 high? Should a lich be CR+0 or +1? A straight level 20 human would not be immune to mind-affecting spells/powers, would not have DR, would not have an innate paralyzing touch, and would likely have a lousy Fort save.

Yes - looked it up and you can give up a turn attempt to apply 1 level of metamagic to a spell, or 4 turn attempts to apply 4 levels (to quicken)

Thanks for the update - found the definition in the Rules Compendium. Didn't see it my first time looking.

or, does it count as a Swift or Immediate action? I ask because the SRD says it is a Free Action, but then specifies that you can only cast one Quickened spell per round, which puts it more in line with Immediate or Swift. The SRD also does not really go into Swift & Immediate actions that I...

I could be wrong on that - so, I will look it up. But, I don't recall the divine metamagic feats allowing quickening of spells? I was thinking of the Divine feats in PHB2, but there could be others?

Looks pretty good - a sorcerer type that becomes a lich. However, the spell list seems a bit limited to me, and spontaneous casters can't quicken spells unless they have an item that gives them that ability. Responding now because I forgot I had Heros of Horror and I looked it up when I found it.

the location is more conducive to undead minions than plants, but that is a good thought for a future lich.

My target is for the lich (or the balor) to make an appearance at next Saturday's session. If I do go with the balor-gating idea, that battle will likely take up the last half of the session, meaning the lich won't be there until the following Saturday. Though, I suppose the lich could walk...

It is a bit confusing, but I would go with the full feat descriptor when there is a difference. I would say that any undead that you create that are within 60 feet of you would get the +2 enhancement on attacks & saves.

Spellthief would be a good choice, as mentioned above. Rogue abilities, sneak attacks, some spellcasting, and the ability to steal spells & spell-like abilities. Spellthief is in Complete Adventurer. Welcome to enworld, too!

Thanks - some excellent ideas here. Nice encounter with the greater invisibility & finger of death.

Thanks for the tip - I do not really wish to have a TPK on my hands and cloned PCs running around.