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    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    Advice seen, noted and acted on. Sorry just nothing gets me going like wannabe tough guys trying to drive people out, shut them up or shut them down. And I as a grandmother do know that at some point they need to be told their tactics don't work everywhere. He mentioned dinner, I should have...
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    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    Still playing the tough guy keyboard warrior yourself. And as I thought, you think if I spoke to your face you would do me violence, or your "tough female biker friends" would. And why would I trust you on any level since again, you have made it clear you wish to control through the threat of or...
  3. J

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    Wow so you need to be intimidating mr. tough guy, with implied threats? Also you first post here ever, bragging how cool you are with all those women, making some of these guys here feel even more inadequate? I hope you feel better about yourself but the need to brag tells me maybe not so much...
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    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    AND BOTH have to be part of the solution, you are both right. We need to identify current harassers and have them removed or at least policed to some degree. We need better education and socialization, and the problem seems to be far worse for males I have spoke to this before, women, and not...
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    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    Someone else all ready pointed out the thing that most struck me about your response last night but I wanted to sleep on it before I responded. You suggested we start teaching our sons etc the rules of gentlemanly conduct and raise girls to be ladies. I get you are trying to be even handed and...
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    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    Fair enough and before I go further I want to add that I appreciate ENWorld, though there have been questionable comments on this thread, I think an effort is being made to treat the topic with respect to all parties. That said, in response to you comment that gender should have no bearing on...
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    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    Yes, let us move the conversation to this point. In doing so we need to analyze some of the problem and responses here more carefully. Presumption of innocence: In a criminal proceeding that applies. However here and all too often in allegations of harassment that leaves the victims with a...
  8. J

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    Well I have to say at least this thread has proven Mr. Helton's premise in the headline, there clearly is still a LOT of work to be done, not just in the gaming community but in our society as a whole.
  9. J

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    Might I suggest to you the problem here as you defined it is the MAN knowingly cheated on his wife. Without any further allegations required, THAT alone would be enough to end his marriage in many cases. With all your negative stereotyping about women you have failed to see where your own words...
  10. J

    Harassment Policies: New Allegations Show More Work To Be Done

    I have been following this thread since it started, and there are so many issues I could address here as a woman, as a grandmother who games, and just as a decent human being but that would take a book. I do want to state one thing to all you legal experts, or those who think rules lawyering in...
  11. J

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    I never suggested what Con organizers should or should not do. I noted legal definition of assault and battery, I noted the legal limits on free speech. I perhaps should have said that is a person in a white hood shows up at a black church, or at a black persons home that indeed could be...
  12. J

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    I did nothing but clarify legal definitions. I never suggested wearing an offensive t-shirt alone constitutes assault, nor did I mention inappropriate jokes. Now if I were a black person and you showed up in my presence wearing the white hood of the KKK that could reasonably be construed as...
  13. J

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    Two things need clarifying here. One is the idea that assault has a physical component, it does not, not under the law. Assault is merely taking an action that would cause a reasonable fear of immediate or near immediate harm to the person it is directed at. If I wave a stick at you in a...
  14. J

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    Nylanfs is correct and I have restated it several times, the game wasn't refused, and was cleared by the event organizers before I posted it because THEY did support it. They are also busy men with lives, jobs, trying to organize an event for a few hundred people, even on line that is work. Nor...
  15. J

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    I have never been to a GenCon or gaming Con, I am curious as to what context at a gaming convention the quote would be appropriate and in context?
  16. J

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    I was out for the day and I just saw this. I lost my youngest brother to suicide when he was 25, back in 1988. Bullying was a problem then, and is some what worse now in my opinion, with the anonymity of the internet giving courage to the bullies. I mentioned in a way earlier post on this...
  17. J

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    Not sure how old you are, those kinds of comments were frowned upon long before PC, again, good manners. When I was a child if any of us were tempted to laugh or joke at ANY disability my grandmother would snatch us right up, look us in the eye and remind us "There but for the grace of God go...
  18. J

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    Funny when I was growing up what people want to dismiss as PC was simple good manners. Always was before someone decided good manners was an infringement on the right to be rude a$$wipes, so rename it, blame a specific group for expecting good manners and cry about being the victim of the...
  19. J

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    So tell me then how do I address the bad behavior here without getting labeled a drama queen or attention seeker? How do I do this and ignore the fact that all those behind this were of one gender, and those who were shut out of a game or too intimidated to participate, or felt it was just not...
  20. J

    We're All Gamers Together: Why Harassment Has To Stop

    Yes please do stay with the hypotheticals with offering no opinion with an actual current event. Therein lies the problem, while people are arguing against disruption, dwelling on theoreticals actual people are being actually harassed into leaving a hobby that ,sorry perhaps my training in...
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