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Exactly this. I'm looking at the class from a purely mechanical, optimization perspective, and care nothing for "characters". Can you still help me?

So is EK just one of those archetypes that blooms in the mid to high levels as opposed to early on like BM? Should an EK be played with INT or without? I like blasting as well as the utility of haste/blur/etc. to help with melee. How about the options, like cantrip+bonus attack or spell+bonus...

What are people's experiences playing the EK? Is it worth it, or is it a trap option compared to martial/full armor clerics and multiclass? Why or why not?

I think there are several reasons: 1. Its more profitable to sell a 50 dollar "book" every couple months than a 10 or 20 dollar "concept" or "setting", since people are much more likely to buy a complete adventure than a module. 2. These days, it's hard enough finding people to play D and D AT...

How so?

So is it the case then that taking 20 levels of EK will always be an inferior choice, both in terms of DPR output, utility, and versatility to either a multiclassed EK/wizard or better straightforward options like paladin/tempest/war domain cleric? Sorry if I don't mention valor bard or...

The way I see it, the whole concept is approached the wrong way. The whole idea of making an entire class concept in the paladin as some holy warrior that has to be held to some moral high standard is rubbish. I know this is a fantasy game, but even in fantasy characters shouldn't be so one...

First, let me say that everyone has their own definition of how high or low powered magic should be. By this I mean that some people believe that magic is super esoteric, hush hush knowledge that requires salt circles, mixing herbs into poultices, magic circles, sacrifices, etc., which is one...

This isn't a philosophical discussion. Somehow, plenty of people in this forum have found ways to "intuitively discern" for themselves what "suck" means to them and simply answered the question, rather than trying to be pseudo-intellectual about it and answering questions with questions and...

I love how posts like this, who basically infer that I'm an idiot that couldn't possibly fathom the concept that people will play mechanically non-optimized characters because they want to create a unique background or interesting story or whatever, are completely acceptable in terms of...

So if you wanted to go two hander EK, does it pay to boost your INT at all or is that a trap stat? I know it affects your save DCs and ranged attack spell attacks, but if mostly people are just gonna haste and stuff anyway, isnt there no need for INT?

Not that I owe you an explanation, but in that cleric thread I was ASKING, not lauding, why people wouldn't play an EK instead of tempest/war domain cleric and IF IT WASN'T better than those options. No, I'm not trolling, I'm looking for perspective. The actually helpful comments of that...

Got salt?

Other than a bladesinger, doesn't every single other gish get access to heavy armor, like paladin, war domain and tempest domain cleric? I guess, then, any disappointment from EK might come from the fact that people would expect something close to a 50/50 fighter/wizard?

Does the Eldritch knight archetype suck when compared to other gishes like tempest/war domain clerics or paladins? Or even multiclass wizard/fighter? Or even previous iterations like pathfinder's magus? Why or why not?

I feel the reason is quite simple: What would you have players that choose to play a caster class do in combat other than casting magic? Make a feeble attempt at stabbing something in the kidney with a d4 dagger that they're barely proficient with, only to most certainly be hit like a truck due...

I thought so too, so combined with that and the fact that the domains only augment the base class, that was why I wondered in the first place why ever play one. However, I'm gonna try a light domain cleric...seems like a blaster caster with buff/debuff/healing as well, all with 18 AC. Yum.

Hmm....you guys have opened my eyes to the awesomeness of the cleric. The thought of being a blaster in medium armor that can also buff/debuff/heal/resurrect AND has wis as his primary stat? Juicy... I also wanna try the Arcana domain cleric, but that's a damn long loading time to get 6th+...

While light domain gets burning hands, scorching ray, fireball, and flame strike, what about arcana being able to snag higher level blasts like chain lightning/sunbeam/disintegrate/finger of death/sunburst/meteor swarm/etc? Is it simply a choice of getting better blasting early vs. investing for...

Also, as a bit of a subtopic, which would be the better caster overall, a light or arcana domain cleric?