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Yeah but we dont count because we dont like change and/or didnt drink the Kool-Aid. And apparently there were more of us than was initially thought otherwise we wouldn't be having this wonderful conversation about a new edition with something for all players of D&D.

Wow. Pretty sure that when 4E came out and a whole bunch of us 3E players who had been spending crap loads of money on 3X material and 2E material before that and 1E and Basic material before that felt the same way that you do now. You want to know what the general consensus here at good ol...

Unless it's made of pure AWESOME I wont even be purchasing 5E sight unseen. I will play in someone's game and if the experience is slightly more than MEH then no sale. If I come away with the feeling that I'll be abe to use all of my 3.5 material, my 1E modules and my Pathfinder stuff with...

As am I. I just thing our level of granularity is different. Before I start running a game I give the players several options because usually when I ask "Is there any thing you guys have in mind that you'd like me to run?" I usually get "Whatever you want is fine" That's from several different...

Either yours or your twins'. I was lucky to have some good DM's at the beginning there but CRIPES man those early games were hard on the 1st and 2nd level PC's.

Who did I push? Listen I said that I don't think all or even most players are mewling pantywaists. I wasn't targeting anyone in the thread specifically. If you want to take insult where none was intended then that's YOUR issue not mine. Wheras your response specifically was an insult towards...

Okay had to walk away from the keyboard. Was a little heated. Better now. Listen I get all of this stuff that youre saying here. As a GM I've had character death completely derail a some interesting character stuff a player and I hashed out. I get it, I really do. But as a player who once...

Also since I taking that this was aimed directly at me you might want to tone it down a little. Go back and read my comment about "Mewling pantywaists" it wasnt aimed directly at anyone in this thread. In fact I was saying that I dont think that most players ARE that type. Trust me if I need...

That's you quoting me. And little out of context I might say especially since the focus on the first part of what I'm trying to say has to do with the players attempting to dictate SPECIFICALLY what challenges they are to face in an adventure. For example: If they tell me no Rust Monsters, no...

Well then it's a good thing that I didnt say that now did I?

I just pulled my 4E gift set off of the shelf to look up the 4E version of the Rust Monster and I dont even think it's in the book. The 3x/3.5 version of the monster is closer to it's AD&D incarnation and is pretty unforgiving. The Pathfinder version is almost a joke, one hit the metal item...

So if it's only about shaping the story with paper challenges, challenges that the players are EXPECTED to get through unscathed, why even use mechanics at all? I bring up the point like this because you're saying these things like you cant have ONE without the OTHER. When in most cases I think...

I think that if the player gets upset to the point where it becomes a distraction I'd just as soon as not play with that player. I get it, losing a magic item sucks. Having played a crap ton of AD&D I know and I've been through a few douche DM's too. But you're playing a game. If you dont trust...

I'll agree with you that it's underwhelming alright. Partially because to that first thing you listed. It's bundled with a bunch of other services that are useless to you IF you dont support 4E so there's that. Also I've never had any connectivity issues (the few times that I've used Maptools...

So, and not trying to be snarky here but, if you're not running or playing 4E there's no reason to want or use this right? If the main attraction here is to use the character builder in conjunction with this and the character builder only generates 4E characters then this is pretty much...

If it fails they will probably mothball D&D for a few years. I really dont see a good way out of this for WOTC. If they lean to much toward the past they lose the players that hate the past editions. If they lean to much toward 4E things are pretty much going to remain the same as they are...

I think if someone's sole reason for buying these is to support the Gygax Memorial then yeah, asking how much of the purchase is going toward the memorial isn't being cynical. It's wanting to know that how much the money that you're contributing is actually going toward the cause. I get that...

I dont understand why it's sad. Is this a slam? I'm not saying that AD&D is bad. but much like when I "graduated" from MARVEL SUPER HEROES (FASERIP) to DC HEROES and CHAMPIONS. I cant ever go back to FASERIP. There are very few games from my teenage / younger years that I'd go back to playing...

My sentiments exactly except that I have PDF's of these books instead of hardcopies. I also know that I can never go back to 1st Edition as a player or GM. Nice gesture to start winning back their fanbase though...

If only you had a native version that worked on OSX...