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Ah. Now I think I understand. All those passages I have been reading about "no healing surges = no change" is referring to the natural 20 on a death save. Outside healing can still put you up to 1 hp it would seem. Thank you.

God, I certainly hope not!

Where does it say that? I read the passage once long ago, lost it, and since then have seen in SEVERAL places where it says, "if you don't have any healing surges available, your condition does not change."

This is so eerily similar to the argument the paladin player made to me when I finally got around to talking to him (out of game) it's freaky!

The whole reason I started this thread was because of the lack of alignment debates. :devil:

How about all of the above? The paladin soon realizes that his loved ones are in real danger from the heretic's threat (perhaps he sees a known assassin following his wife--we have just one such reoccuring villain). As he rushes to save his family, he is picked up by the authorities of the...

Yeah, it's not like they are going to survive without their parents anyways, right? I never understood those paladins and other goodly characters who would fight to save the baby kobolds from destruction at the hand of their party mates (after having slain all of the adults) and then leave them...

Keep them away from the squishies, knock them into hazards and traps, move them into flanking positions with the nearby rogue, push them away then run without having to shift for a retreat. Lots and lots of uses.

I've seen this...a LOT. :(

The rules clearly state that a paladin's alinment MUST match that of his diety. Um, so where does that leave me? Am I even allowed to change his alignment? If I am allowed, what happens when I do? Does he HAVE to switch dieties afterwards? Do his abilitites change at all? :confused:

There ARE tons of options in 4E, it's just that people get so caught up on the new power system they don't even realize that there ARE other options. They get distracted by what's on their character sheet (or power cards) and end up having the same feelings you do, which is a shame since the...

Um, they passed through a number of populated villages on the way back to the church. :o

Actually, I think now would be a good time to mention exactly what his orders were. *Digs up GM notes* Church Superiors: "This heretic has been roaming the countryside for weeks, openly speaking out against our church, our faith, and our ideals. He has publicly and brutally put to death anyone...

LOL! Yeah, it amazes me how many people have their characters fall into that ideology in their own games and then they turn right around and spout off about "horrible" scenarios such as this. :)

I think the thing that a lot of people here seem to be missing is that you are expected to win against encounters appropriate to your level. Haven't you guys noticed that the challenging fights in the modules are always 1-5 levels HIGHER than the party? A level 3 dragon for five 3rd-level...

More like... Paladin: "I hack at the guys tendons to cripple him and then let the horse drag him." DM: "Over the course of the next day and a half the party must contend with his cries of agony during their travels. As you near your destination, his cries grow deathly quiet. Do you wish to do...

Good point. But please remember, the above diagram is static. In the actual game the rats were all over the place (and are probably under-represented above). Any openings we had were shut down because we didn't prepare actions in time or weren't valid options (in one instance, my gnome could...

It really, truly says that in the module? The monster manual oozes clearly indicate that the HPs are split between the halves.

We have a paladin of Bahamut in our group who is absolutely ardent about battling evil without mercy. Now, I know paladins can no longer lose their powers in 4th Edition, but if they break their vows/code/whatever, their church might seek to punish them for their transgressions. Their alignment...

I must still be stuck in the v3.5 days. Knowing that would have made all the difference (a flanking rogue KILLS OOZES DEAD!). Good point. and I think the rats wer attacking through the corners at various points. THANK YOU! I always wondered if our GM deviated. Our GM isn't very forthcoming...