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DC - You obviously aren't thinking of the service provided by me pointing out the ancientness of this debate: Some people who read this thread may not be aware (in fact, they probably wouldn't be) of the long history this argument has, and the entrenched viewpoints. Given that most of the...

Celt - I offered this in the cleric/fighter vs paladin thread (IIRC), and I'll offer it here: I will guarantee you here and now that if I (or any other competant powergamer) make a fighter and fight against your paladin, the fighter will win way more than 50% of the time. I unfortunately don't...

After reading this 3 times, I think I see why you're coming off as baffling to me. You keep mentioning MELEE. I do not think this word means what you think it does. :] I ignored the other aspects of the Paladin you mentioned because you said the Paladin was the best in melee. Melee means...

It's been the same arguments for over 3 years now. You're welcome to waste time on it, but the same things are said every time.

Please - I'm dying to know your group's (especially your DM's) opinions on what they see as "min-maxing". Seriously - what do they see wrong with it in this situation?

Let me get this straight: You think that a player can't split their attention efficiently between 2 characters, but you as the DM can split is efficiently between MANY NPC's? Just so we're straight on this - if so, that sounds incredibly insulting to your players. And I'm fascinated : what...

Just so people know: STR vs CHA Intimidate has been discussed on these boards for years. It always breaks down to the CHA-Intimidate-only crowd bringing up lame examples that pit a low-CHA, high-STR dude against a high-CHA dude. And that's a straw man, in case you didn't realize. It's as...

God forbid the players have more fun with their characters. :(

Celt, make up your mind. First you say they're the best melee munchkin class, then you say the fighter is better in melee. I could discuss this for 7 paragraphs, but I'll sum in up this way: The paladin is the weakest melee class IN MELEE with fighter BAB progression. His benefits are...

$160 million is only in make-believe dollars. Studios manufacture costs to inflate a movie's budget so they don't have to pay out as many profit-sharing $. It made WAY more than it cost to make, and the $ will still be rolling in for awhile.

In all seriousness, I think the original poster is quite right: It was more interesting here years ago than it is today. But that's to be expected - it's not like the board is doing anything wrong. It's just that RPG'ing isn't as interesting as it was years ago, IMO.

Rape is NOT the only explanation for a half-orc. And the human doesn't have to be big-hearted. In YEARS of being at ENWorld, I still have not seen another example of a non-rape half-orc PC. I deliberately made a long-running half-orc Cleric of Kord partially as an exercise in creating a PC that...

RyanD: I really appreciated your post, and the reply. They helped me collect my thoughts on the matter (as did many people's posts about complexity and what 3X D&D is best designed for).

Good luck, Goblin. Getting California Gamers to commit to a day and show up en masse is like herding cats. :( bloodymage knows ALL about this.

This is blatantly wrong, if you are suggesting that this is a core rule, applicable to every D&D campaign. You can have your own House Rules in your campaign, but in D&D, Paladins do not have a requirement of chivalry, NOR are they knights. Sorry, it's just not in the rulebook, therefore your...

Carpe? Is that you, of the Smackdown threads?

It's a Variant Rule sidebar in Masters of the Wild, page 18. Thank goodness they put it somewhere.

There is absolutely NO problem with a Paladin's power level. Removing restrictions would in no way endanger the balance of the class.

Yet another gaping rule hole when it comes to Paladins. :rolleyes:

dreaded beast - you're missing the point. And so would anyone of countless people who may or may not feel personally assaulted enough to post, saying "Hey! I'm not like that!" We're talking in generalities here - looking at it from a social perspective. Not a personal one. Please don't take...