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Re: Re: Re: ECL calculation and Ogres (no I'm not finished yet :)) Well, I don't. :p [B] I agree that it is nonsensical. It is, however, the rules. The DMG specifically says that magic items (of the armour, clothing, or jewellery sort) resize to fit their wielder, and that halflings can...

Re: Re: Re: ECL ability scores and giants I don't know. A lot of creatures, all through the MM CR's, have no ability to deal with flying creatures. (Even a surprising number of Epic creature.) Once a player gets this, it can be a massive advantage in a wide range of encounters, and if it's a...

Re: Re: ECL calculation I couldn't get away - family stuff. It is Easter. :( (I live in County Durham, which is about as far away from GenCon as you can be and still be in England.)

Re: Re: Re: ECL ability scores and giants All I care about is the subject under discussion, not what you think you have shown and proven before. That just makes you sound frustrated and condescending, which is unfortunate since the points you made were good. Darren

Re: Re: Re: ECL ability scores and giants You (and he) may well be right in this instance. As I implied in my last post on this subject, having some guide as to what (for example) STR is appropriate at a certain HD or BAB might be better, then charging a cost if it exceeds this. (I use STR...

Re: Re: Re: ECL ability scores and giants I said ECL 6. This was before seeing the CR/EL document - the standard rules. According to the DMG, they are ECL 5. I wasn't cnvicned, bumped them up to ECL 6, and still thought it might not be enough - a suspicion borne out in playtest. Of course, I'm...

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Re: ECL calculation and Ogres (no I'm not finished yet :)) :eek: As mentioned in my previous post, I think ECL6 might not be enough. I did have an ECL 6 Ogre in my group (standard point buy, standard equipment), and he was outperforming the pure fighters. He did have slighly lower hit points...

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Re: ECL calculation agreements Good point. [B] True - so having them equal seems right. Pros and cons for both.

Re: ECL calculation In what sense?

Re: Re: Re: Re: ECL calculation It does (and I hadn't considered that!)...

I'm not UpperKrust, but I can see where you went wrong there. To get the Hobgoblins PEL of 9, you had to compare the CR of the hobgoblins 9 on the CR/EL chart. In order to find the PEL of the player group, you need to do the same - compare their CR (which equals their level) on the same table...

As in the case of the (not so) fearsome Tarrasque's Frightening Presence - 10 points lower than it should be, by the rules.

Re: racial CR adjustments Hello! [B] I would have put them all in a spreadsheet as I worked them out, and then just changed the base data table - get everything updated automatically! [B] If you've done the work, you should really distribute it to save others. Maybe a promotional web...

Re: Re: ECL calculation I think it probably should, too - that would certainly justify making them equal cost. [/B] This sounds reasonable (caveat: that's without testing ). But I think there is a problem with the way the spell-like abilities are costed: the caster level is part of the...

Re: Re: racial CR adjustments Though whether or not you do include the full CR list, you might want to change the layout of the currect CR tables a little. I wasn't aware Titans were a subtype of Slaad, or that there were so many golems in the Epic book... ;) Darren

Re: Re: racial CR adjustments It's a pdf - I vote for the extra pages. We don't have to print them.

ECL calculation One major flaw I feel with the system is the idea that ECL can be calculated much the same as CR. As it stands Fast Healing and Regeneration cost extra if you are designing ECL, butr many other abilities should also be rated higher. Anything spell-like ability which can be used...

Re: racial CR adjustments That's a good point, and relevant to Sonafapreacherman's hobgoblin question. Probably the best way is to assume that if the base racial CR is 0 or less (ECL 0 races) you ignore things like darkvision etc - assume it all balances out. Humans have their feat and skill...