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so lets take every single game with magic, vancian magic operates on a certain established rules that tells the player how the game should be looked at. FF espers are another way of looking at magic, as are a multitude of other systems. You could have 10 games and 10 different ways of looking...

I think all of this "Oh Noes! My immersion is broked!" comes from people bring their own preconceptions into the game and not trying to instead look at it from where the game might be coming from instead. Rogues sneak attacking skeletons? it should only break your immersion if you have a...

I dont have any issue with a fire elemental missing resistance or immunity, I can definitely see a fire elemental being hurt by fire. Weather by burning the fire elemental be making it take damage because its overburning whatever sustain's its lifeforce or whatever reason you'd like. Doesnt...

Do you have the same reservations for super lucky characters? like the second example?

Inversely it would also be impossible to build a 6,9,12,5,7,9 character under pointbuy too. I do have to ask people who use rolling what would you and your group do if you received the numbers listed above? Would you play it or just reroll untill you received something reasonable? A followup...

these are all closely related and I feel are wrong. PBH pg6: "In an adventure, you can attempt anything you can think of. Want to talk to the dragon instead of fighting it? Want to disguise yourself as an orc and sneak into the foul lair? Go ahead and give it a try. Your actions might work or...

After reading all of this i dont get why point-buy is the bad guy in this arguement, you got a lucky roll and made a super cool character. you could accomplish the same with just adding more points to your point buy. If you argument is that rolling is better because you get lucky characters...

I recall that Ruby Rhod didnt contribute much at all to the overall story. But anyways, if comic relief is your example of playing a non combat character... more on you. The hobbits are a bad example as well. sure they started out weak and needing protecting but they quickly grew into their...

I had a big response but i decided to just go with: I think you are wrong, 2e isnt a dead game, neither will 4e become. especially in this internet age i don't think that any game will truely die.

That could be. I will admit that 3.x and PF and to a degree, that those games provide a strong simullationist perspective. In that kind of game where you can create a diplomat by taking an amalgamation of classes and skills all supported by a view that the world also plays by mostly the same...

I dont see this at all, I see a vocal opposition to the accusations that 4e cannot be used to run a game in a way presented. I believe 4e can be improved upon big time, skill challenges are moving in the right direction and can be improved upon. There is also alot of core math fixes that can...

The issue seems to stem from the preconception that 4e is 90% combat and there is not enough support for non-combat situations. So if you are building a character not geared towards combat you are cheating yourself. I personally think this is a group/dm problem rather then a system problem...

But if you are creating a character after the concept of not doing anything useful in combat, why do you worry about the value of combat mechanics? personally if I had a player who wanted what you want, first of all i would try to find out where this conept is coming from as it really confuses...

I honestly dont get where the "I want to play the guy who doesnt do anything useful at all in combat" comes from. I must not be reading the right books, or watching the right movies. Or what ever kind of media you get these kind of things from. any kind of examples I can think of still have...

Monotremes would like to have a word with you.

one wonders if you have read about 4e dragonborn, their fluff does state that they nurse their young. Dragonborn are not reptiles.

This is really the crux, to what level of Verisimilitude should be the default? should the game be totally simulationist and provide rules for every little bit of the world? Should it be totally naritivist and the rules dont interact with the naritive? Probably somewhere in the middle. There...

personally im a fan of 4e's method, it provides the rules and it leave each player to come up with their own reasons why things work the way they do. Player 1's barbarian's rage could be some kind of limit break where he roleplays that his rage kicks in after his guy builds up an emotional...

On the note of PCs being able to do anything by the rules as NPCs, I agree up to a point. If I give an NPC a cool item, i'd expect to allow a PC to use it the same way if not slightly modified for a few math fixes. Though if my raging Barbarian chieftain has an ability that give all of his...

I have to agree with this statement, I have on occasion statted up an ancient dragon as a level 10 solo, just so that the party could fight the thing. Though dropping to 0 HP meant something quite different then killing the dragon, at that point the dragon ended the fight on his own satisfied...