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I’d take his opinions with a grain of salt though.

In a thread about 5E players becoming grogs, we end up with a mod warning about 4E flame wars. Truly something to be said there.

As someone who has been through more edition changes than fingers on a hand, there is more to it than just irrelevance since it doesn’t technically affect your specific game. For what it’s worth, there is something about a game system being bookended and no official support for it coming. Game...

To me, the elimination of race as a factor in character build is the biggest functional change to the game since AD&D ended the D&D "race as class" mechanic and was really the biggest mechanical difference between the various numbered editions of D&D and the B/X & BECMI games which were really...

I'm curious as to how you think The Songstress's church and the Harpers and Oghma's church would vibe in the Forgotten Realms. I'm about to set up a campaign in the Unapproachable East, and given that Aglarond is often viewed as a truly half-elven nation, or at least the most half-elven nation...

It is more that there simply are more in Dungeon from the 2E era than directly from TSR. While there are some rather notorious ones from the 2E run, there are likewise some well-regarded ones. I'd say that Terrible Trouble in Tragidore which was included in the DM's Screen is often regarded in...

Hmm. Everyone in my 5E games plays half-elves. With the random gnome or human.

I was coming to the same analogy, but didn't want to use the term. I think bad is probably sufficient.

Personally I think the 2E ranger was the closest to being good. The biggest hindrance for wearing heavy armor is the loss of the more flavorful but useless abilities. Then if the two-weapon fighting was optional with the other option be automatic bow specialization and no penalties for firing...

This is some good edition war fodder. I like your energy.

Nope, I didn’t mean that at all. Paladins, Rangers, Druids, Specialty Priests, Specialist Wizards, and Bards were all explicitly optional in 2E. While it was (I believe) the only edition to codify four basic groups of classes—technically five counting psionics—the classes themselves only had...

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D&D 2024 is out so when do we get 5E added into this subforum? Seems like it’s officially an “Older Edition” now. I for one welcome the new generation of grognards.

Fun fact: The 2E era module, The Dancing Hut of Baba Yaga is actually designated as S5, even though it isn’t labeled as such and is the only 2E module to continue the old module line. It also includes an homage to Moore’s original version in Dragon #83 by stating the interior design changes...

Given that 2E defined them explicitly as fighter, thief, cleric, and wizard and prior to that these had been the 4 core human classes in OD&D/basic/B/X/BECMI I had always sort of assumed that those were also the only non-optional ones in OAD&D.

It’s somewhat funny that 1E initiative is now dominating two separate threads.

Gary shockingly would say both things, nearly simultaneously. Famously he has his “you either play AD&D by the book or you’re playing something else just as one either plays poker according to Hoyle or doesn’t play poker” to his post-script in the DMG where he says, “YTMND”. My only question...

Gary not having a consistent style guide of terminology is, I suppose, part of the charm.

Really, AD&D rounds are what they are because of the roots being wargaming. The gobbledegook of 1E initiative is further predicted on some weird attempt to keep with the war game basis. For anyone who wants to disagree with my assessment of 1E initiative, here is a link to the 20 page flow...

One of the 2E DMGR splats Creative Campaigning, which is otherwise one of the less useful ones in the series has one exceptional section about how to modify the roll to develop more or less chances of success, such as using the existing 1-20 range of ability score and NWP checks, and instead...