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Whoops - double posting to overcome board slowness makes me look silly. Where's the delete button?

Seattle person here agreeing with you - mostly. I think there are instances when a stealth check during movement should be allowed. VK (or someone else) posed the example of a stealther not beginning in concealment, moving through concealment and ending out of concealment. So - possible to...

Without increasing play value? How about the value of rogues (or rangers or anyone who trains stealth well enough to be good at it) being able to creatively apply their skill? Needlessly straightjacketing a skill constricts creativity. The skill has to cover a myriad of player (and DM)...

No. Skills in 4th edition are too broad to be defined so narrowly. They are NOT 1 tool that can only be applied only one way in one situation. Stealth can be used to: duck behind cover in battle - resulting in a lasting condition open a door quietly - only applies during the action melt into...

You are applying the general opposed roll rule over the specific rule for the perception skill. But specific overrules general. An active perception check takes an action. You're also taking extra time making extra rolls. Bad! As for 3 squares, when concealment occurs, etc.: There is no past...

Here's my take, trying to use RAW: The Targeting What You Can't See rules apply to something unseen. However, the means by which a stealther in mere concealment/cover (not total) is unseen is through the successful stealth check. Therefore, if the stealth check is beaten, the stealther is again...

Not RAW but perhaps RAI: the stealth CHECK is part of whatever action you are trying to perform stealthily. Sometimes stealth is just the duration of the action performed: moving silently, picking your nose in the King's chamber without being noticed, drawing your dagger, picking the lock...

Specific overrules general. While generally in an opposed check both sides get a roll, in the case of a stealther attempting to hide/escape notice from a perceiver, the specific rules for the perception skill apply: you need an action (either standard or minor depending on situation, page 186...

Please, read. It is a necessary skill to play this game. You only need ONE of those conditions for combat advantage. Interesting things about that: Unaware of you, page 188, is stealth. Unable to see the attacker, page 281, is the targeting what you can't see rules. From the FAQ (you...

Hit points aren't just physical damage. It is also will to fight, etc. A healing surge can be given from just a pep talk. On rpg.net, they call the warlord, "Mr shouty man".

Attacks break stealth. To me, it is nonsensical that an attack be used to stealth. Yes, I see stealth as an action that can be used to gain a condition. The FAQ, in stating that you use the Targeting What You Can't See rules, supports that. Once you've successfully stealthed, you can't be...

Fine, you house rule it as you like. Your table, your game. However, you'll be sorely disappointed in a convention or something. As you say, the extra d6 for ranger, warlock are automatic. Even flanking (which grants combat advantage nearly every round) is situational. Here is a quote from...

Disagreements by people that claim things like "hidden from view" is different from "hidden" or "can't be seen" and make assumptions without actually reading the rules. Rules as written, yes you could do this with ranged attacks (allies do not provide cover from melee attacks.) Combat...

Please quote the rules that say you can't stealth if someone is aware of you. In fact, the rules say quite the opposite. You can stealth EVEN IF someone isn't distracted, as long as you have cover or concealment. So I could distract someone (or have a friend distract them) or I could have...

Please actually read the rules before passing judgements. The rules for combat advantage, on page 280: First, note that you need ONLY ONE of those conditions to achieve combat advantage. Second, note the page numbers: Unaware of you (page 188). Page 188 is where stealth is. Unable to see...

Ditto. Well, we won't be doing it next week. But soon.

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But you didn't say it - and in fact created a situation that your solution doesn't solve. Going by RAW that stealthing is PART of whatever action is to be performed stealthily is more flexible in dealing with situations, especially since it does NOT rule out taking a minor action to stealth...

There are two different places where active perception is specified. Once is in the perception skill, as a standard action, on page 186. The other is in the Targeting What You Can't See rules, on page 281. 186: If you want to use the skill actively, you need to take a standard action or spend...

The rogue isn't hidden yet. By your example, he isn't even in cover yet. How could he be hidden? That's a deliberately false scenario. Obviously the hiding wouldn't occur until cover was reached. The penalty to the stealth roll if more than 3 squares is moved implies that the move action...