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but not a paladin. (just so we are clear on the situation). Can you start a "revoloution" / "rebellion" against a Lawful evil society ? Say by freeing slaves and paying workers a decent wage and what not or are revoloutions et al "chaotic" ?

I disagree firelance. No one is saying the rapist is not guilty. No one is saying the rapist doesn't deserve to die Heck no one is even saying the paladin didn't have the right to administer justice. The Bone of contention is about how he rendered the verdict not what the verdict was or that...

Read what I wrote dancer. You walk into a village and see an orc sleeping. Don't add things to the situation. If all orcs are evil you are saying go ahead and slash his throat while he sleeps, oh and make sure to kill the women and children so no more orcs get made. Killing that orc is wrong...

Yeah see in my world that etc. includes attacking an unarmed foe from behind. I would have no problems with the paladin tossing the guy from the room walking over to him making sure he faced him and saying "for crimes against (insert deity here) I sentence you to death by beheading. Make piece...

EWWWWWW in love with my own father even Simone doesn't go that far. Thats just sick 8)

If something is attacking a comrade of mine he is 1) engaged in willing combat and there has yet to be a fight my group has been involved in that all of the attackers were not FULLY aware of my presence. 2) The girl had already been raped, any comrade an enemy is still fighting is not already...

Oh SURE. If I were vile I would be thinking of a way to "de paladinize" or kill the whole lot. Running would not be on my to do list.

We are all but tools of the multiverse, ensuring that things work out the way they are supposed to. Do not mistake that statement for neutrality howevr. Evil must be fought. If you slay one evil perhaps it stays dead and perhaps it just gets stronger and comes back. If instead you turn it to...

You are not being unfair. Perhaps our laws up here are different. You need cause to DRAW a weapon here. And firing into the back of a man that is less than 5 feet away from a victim he is about to rape is reckless endangerment because well things richochet and sometimes you miss. There would be...

Lets go back through the initial post then. "he is a commoner you WILL kill him in one hit" Paladin followed him while still armed and I assume armored and the perp didn't hear him (or failed his listen check). Pretty sure this tranaslates into what exactly the description was a commoner. Not...

The words of a wise and just person are never truly wasted and are always of import to me Saladin. And you are such a man. All the people that were part of the proceedings and all I have met back here in the gallery are rife with good and noble intentions. It is a good thing that we all weigh...

*The raven and mauve haired Simone rises from her spot on the pew that served as part of the visitors gallery for this court. Her ice blue eyes meet those of the newly arrived.* Greetings and salutations from Ilmater, The Celestial Hebdomad, and myself. Please forgive me for not bowing. Pistis...

Simone Menden Worshipper of Pistis Sophia and Ilmater yet remains awaiting an update from Vindicator the vindicated. Though I am monk and not paladin the paths are not terribly dissimilar in my experience, nor that of my companion. Zimri worshipper of both Raziel and Ilmater

Vigillance Apparently you and I interpet "He is a LOWLY COMMONER YOU'LL KILL HIM WITH 1 HIT" differently. In my world a longsword (standard paladin fair) does 1d8, his strength bonus was at least +1. So I think it is fair to say that on average he is doing (assuming the sword isn't magical or...

The way I *see* the scene based on the description is (girl =g Perp=S paladin=P) they are in a smallish room ( I would guess rl it would be about 7.5 feet but sense we have to work with 5' areas in d and d and it isn't 10 we'll say it's 5 so just room for single file). We know the paladin is...

I don't mind you signaling me out at all. I am rather happy that someone finally chose to. We do disagree though(geeze go figure eh) we are at least not running the numbers or scenario the same manner. My POV he is behind the commoner who didn't notice him and is unarmoured. The commoner is...

How exactly does grabbing him from behind when he is unaware and dragging or tossing him from the room but the child in more danger ? The action I described saves the child from the trauma of watching a homicide take place, being covered in blood from a spurting jugular vein, and seeing the...

Let me start off by way of an apology. I truly enjoyed the tale, I may even attempt to remember it and use some of those same tricks myself. I don't think the DM was trying to entrap the character and I do agree that if he was he did so really badly. I fear that my asking what the way out was...

So Sir Euain, What was the right way through for the paladin in your story ? Persue the bard by more lawful means (not threatening his associates and what not) but his beloved still dies ? Stay with her and let the bard go free (in this case the bard "wins" because he has removed the Paladin as...

I am on the bandwagon that says "Lawful was about the worst descriptor that could have been chosen to oppose chaos" I have no idea why he didn't just pick "order" it would have made things much easier.