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    D&D 5E (2014) Abandoning attunement and scaling back concentration

    Yes older versions had some small concentration limits, and I’m not removing it entirely with this homebrew rule, yes spellcasting has other restrictions (provoked attack of opportunity in 3e etc). I actually like the concentration mechanic as it stands I just think it is overly prescriptive...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Abandoning attunement and scaling back concentration

    As I said, interested in specific examples of where it’s likely to be a problem that I may have missed
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    D&D General What Would Be Your "Iconic D&D Campaign?"

    Lots of foreshadowing, I mean heaps and heaps. Dreams, lair like effects on the environments. Bad guys need to take a leaf out of the crazier Dr Evil/Bond Villian style plans. I expanded and adapated Night Below a 2e campaign for 1st to 15th level into a 1st to 20th level 3/3.5e campaign that...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Abandoning attunement and scaling back concentration

    I agree that there are some spells that should remain concentration for a variety of reasons Fwiw I’m proposing the ability for a caster to remove the concentration requirement from about 65 PHB spells via upcasting them using a spell slot 1-2 levels above their base level and I think 3...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Abandoning attunement and scaling back concentration

    Re attunement, I figure whether the attunement mechanic exists or not the GM will still be making a decision to place items into the campaign (less so if the GM allows magic marketplace style game but that too is a decision) so that “GM decision” chokepoint of magic items exists in all games...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Abandoning attunement and scaling back concentration

    Thanks. I agree hypnotic pattern is a potent spell - more potent than most players realise, I’ll make it +2 level to remove concentration and if the bard goes nuts I’ll revisit it. I also agree that haste lasting 10 rounds is a whole combat and will see how it goes. I don’t mind one 5th level...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Abandoning attunement and scaling back concentration

    Yep I thought of this but I quite like the “upcasting to make the spell better” mechanic. And one way to make it better is through losing concentration, it adds a cost to ridding onseself of the concentration requirement. (OT: I think I first saw this mechanic used extensively in Monte Cooks...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Abandoning attunement and scaling back concentration

    Except that the statement I made which you disagreed with was that D&D did fine for 40 years without the concentration mechanic. I did not disagree that there were abuses but posited that it was still a fine game. To avoid this continuing would it help if I said “In previous editions I am aware...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Abandoning attunement and scaling back concentration

    You are correct the main issue I have experienced an issue with is the limit on the number of concentration spells. I’ve done a spell by spell review on the upcasting mechanic but will look at how a multiple stacking option would work.
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    D&D 5E (2014) Abandoning attunement and scaling back concentration

    I know about CoDzilla, I still don’t accept that D&D was not a fine game before the 5e concentration mechanic. The facts don’t only support one side of the argument. 3e/3.5/Pathfinder without this mechanic has been successful. I know people who still primarily play it without experiencing a...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Abandoning attunement and scaling back concentration

    Yes I am giving an ability to casters, it will give them more flexibility and thus more power to them and the party as a whole. I’ve given most other classes stuff as well - not Paladins. But I don’t really want to go through that, I am just posting about these two changes.
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    D&D 5E (2014) Abandoning attunement and scaling back concentration

    Agree to disagree about D&D without this mechanic, my experience with it was enjoyable.
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    D&D 5E (2014) Abandoning attunement and scaling back concentration

    I can see this and will happily use it for this
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    D&D 5E (2014) Abandoning attunement and scaling back concentration

    Re attunement I can see this might be an issue with some groups but in the same way that I’m happy to say having the GM have substantial control over what items appear in the campaign and when works for us we also have a pretty good understanding that items being spread around so everyone gets...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Abandoning attunement and scaling back concentration

    Fair enough. As I said players got by pretty well until 2015 without needing the tactic of breaking higher level enemies concentration to end spells, and in 5e many spells already have the save every round to end a spell anyway.
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    D&D 5E (2014) Abandoning attunement and scaling back concentration

    Agree re spirit guardians which is why I’ve kept it concentration as I said in my first post, and it’s generally not the other characters who break the monsters out of a hypnotic pattern but the non stupid monsters via damage or actions. I mean that’s what the characters do if it’s cast on them...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Abandoning attunement and scaling back concentration

    That’s a perfectly reasonable halfway house. But as I say I just don’t see a significant benefit of the attunement limitation. I think lots of 5e stuff is an improvement, especially bounded accuracy, but not this.
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    D&D 5E (2014) Abandoning attunement and scaling back concentration

    Thanks for the reply. I had hypnotic pattern only at +1 level to make it non concentration because in my experience creatures snap out of it through damage pretty quickly but I see the issue given that you can’t save to break it. Maybe I’ll make it +2. Haste I have as +2 levels already (and I’ve...
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    D&D 5E (2014) Abandoning attunement and scaling back concentration

    Can you give me some examples of spells or spell combos that if required to be upcast by 1-2 levels to remove concentration would be overpowered in your opinion?
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