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Yummy. All the men in D&D should totally be wearing that for armor. Maybe I'll allow some +5 black leather Nipple Tassels of Protection, just to make sure they are properly protected.

Wat. Srsly. Are you saying that women are bisexual, but men aren't? I don't mind if you're bisexual, but I am not. I want to see SEXY MEN. I have less than zero interest in seeing sexy ladies. You seem to be saying that human nature is to be bisexual, and while that would be abstractly...

Treating any human being like a thing is not particularly moral, no. There are exceptions for adults who mutually consent to act out a dehumanization/objectification fetish, but in general, viewing and treating human beings as things is not cool. Did you know it is possible to express sexual...

Not just 'full of naked dudes', but the only dudes ever shown in character or concept art have to be wearing silly stripper clothes and posing in sexy ways, showing their hardons. All of them, all the time, even in situations where it is incredibly stupid and out of place for them to be sexual...

Accidental double post.

Yes. Exactly. That's what the problem is. Porn is great, but it is incredibly stupid to dress and pose for a porn shoot if you are going to be fighting Orcs. You tend to take arrows in the gut that way. Porn and D&D are two great tastes, kind of like chocolate and steak, that do not...

As far as I can tell, his working definition of prude is 'anyone who doesn't want D&D to be all het male porn, all the time, even when it's stupid to porn up adventurers while they are actually adventuring.' Because women always wear makeup and the finest lingerie to fight kobolds three days...

Well, I would be. That would be hot. ;) However, I recognize that as much fun as it would be to have D&D cater to my personal tastes in who gets sexualized, it's not really appropriate to depict people who are supposed to be adventurers in a way that trivializes them into sexy objects for my...

We're not even speaking on the same subject here. I don't consider sexuality or any depiction of it 'filthy'. My issue is solely with the mandatory sexualization of women in fantasy art to the detriment of all other qualities of the character being depicted. Eg, she is suicidally stupid...

So you would totally support it if the industry switched over to appeal to women's eyes and started publishing only yaoi manga games with hot young men in sexy or homoerotic poses? While fighting Orcs? Because not to support that free expression of sexuality would be prudery? I suspect by...

Are you serious? I don't think a single person in this thread has said anything about how sex and nudity is bad, except for a few people who pointed out that it made the game less kid-friendly. Which it does, but that's beside the point - they can still publish material aimed for an adult...

My argument is mostly that I am sick and tired of my entire (publicly presented) gender being portrayed and treated as stupid, as purely ornamental but totally ineffective eye candy. I am sick and tired of getting the message with every RPG book I pick up that this material is mainly intended...

Excellent summary. It's not that nudity and sexualized depictions are 'immoral' for consenting adults to view. It's that making sexualized depictions the default in RPG art is *weird*, out of place, misleading, and it sends a message about how women should be perceived and treated. Eg...

In short, you're explaining as to how it's okay to say humans can have magic powers and cast magic missile spells, but not okay to say humans can be equally strong, because everything is supposed to work the way it does in the real world unless there is a good storytelling reason to say...

Hmmm. Let's see, we want a game where an out of shape, asthmatic, glasses wearing nerdly 12 year old can imagine himself to be a dragon slaying elf who can cast magic missiles, but we're going to tell women that they can't imagine themselves to be really strong? This makes sense, how?

I can not think of any better way to send the message to women that this game is not for them and they are not welcome at the table than to explain as to how they have to roleplay as men unless they want to be handicapped in game play.

All of these are some good examples of solid potential plot hooks and settings that can offer a sense of gritty realism, obstacles for your heroes to overcome, well drawn evil villains, etc. However, you're right that you'd definitely want to check in ahead with your players. Folks who have to...

Because it is so totally different to discriminate against someone in game play, based on their race rather than their gender? Really gonna have to agree to disagree on this one, bud.

Right, because no one in this thread is advocating that authentic historical racism should be fairly represented in the core material of a fantasy game just because it's historical. They're only advocating that authentic historical sexism should be represented because it's historical...

On that whole historical accuracy thing in games and arguing that the material in our games should totally reflect reality, I can think of a very historically accurate and realistic game that Hasbro could try to market. It would be set in the Confederate South, with PC's as bounty hunters...