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If you and DracoSuave read my original post you might not be making those kinds of comments. I have read the PHB, I wanted to know others opinions on what I posted: Can you do it to unconscious characters. Yes, I know it takes no action, as I said in the original post. Anyway, to all the other...

I thought I saw it somewhere! Cool ty.

I looked for that during game, for some strange reason couldn't find it either in the PHB or on my DM screen. As soon as I take a look after posting here, I find it... sigh. Thanks guys sorry for the sillyness. I *DID* try and find it though. Can't believe I missed it.

Anything you can add to support? Printed?

Such a noob question, but I can't seem to find it in the books, and did a google on it and nothing. So can you take 20 in 4th edition?

We had a PC go down tonight who hadn't used his Second Wind yet. Can other players use the "Use Second Wind" option from the Heal skill (PHB 185) on unconscious players? It says it can be used on players 'without the character spending an action.'

It is? Hi, sorry I had the same question tonight after running a session with Kobold Dragonshields. You say '"Yes it is" meaning the Fighter mark is the basic mark. Could you point to where this is printed? Thanks.

My Email: I'm having difficulty understanding how minions interact with the world. As a DM, I can understand how they're used as abstractions for bookeeping purposes. They have 1HP to make life simpler. One hit and they die. I can understand this. What I don't quite understand is how the rest...

Perhaps this is one of the main problems. Where exactly does it state this in the rules? Agreed. This is the part that's harder to grasp. I'm not saying I disagree with it, I'm just saying that I think this is where all the confusion comes in. The 'process' I suppose of explaining to a group...

RAW, this isn't true. Anything that rolls a natural 20 will kill one. If you decide not to roll at all as DM and simply say 'none die' then you're free to do that. Or you could say again 'minions don't take damage from non-Pc's'. I do agree with you though that having minions *not* exist...

Yeah could be. Earlier in the thread I was confused about how and why they exist, but now I've come to understand their purpose and how they should (and shouldn't) be used so I'm clear on them now, especially in how to use them in combat. Admittedly it still takes a little brain power to have...

It's not just the 1HP. If it were, you could apply 1HP to any monster and call it a minion. It's the entire concept of the creature that is the abstraction. In all honesty, it probably doesn't make much difference anyway whether or not you want to say 'minion' just means '1HP', as long as you...

Hm I didn't say minions aren't justified, I said the opposite. I like them, they make perfect sense to me now. When I talk about minions not existing in the world, I'm talking about outside of combat. Minions don't wander around the world afraid of things that can do 1HP damage to them. They're...

Perhaps this can close the debate a little more. In addition to the points I made earlier, this quote from the Minions article on WotC seems to sum up everything I've come to understand since starting this thread. "When you use minions, you should use those of a level appropriate to the...

The more I think about it, the more I like the resolution of 'DM decides whether the minion takes damage'. This is probably the intent, as I mentioned earlier with 'missed attacks never do damage' but it just isn't actually stated directly in the RAW. One other thing regarding the posts about...

You know what, I think I've got it. There's a hint in the rules, as RAW, as to why in fact, yes, you're supposed to make rules such as the one you came up with (minions don't take damage from brambles), and that is 'minions don't take damage on a missed attack'. It seems as though the...

I think this is key here. But as with my example above and the dread brambles of demonic death, minions still become problematic. I did think of a workaround though. Perhaps minions, when interacting with the environment, even in combat, have 'standard' hit points (appropriate for their level)...

My earlier example of the housecat was just that, one example of how pretty much anything in the game world that can do 1 point of damage could spring up in any session and really have your minions on the spot. I'd just like to have it sorted beforehand. This is actually my main question now...

Nah the housecat is just an innocent bystander angry at being woken up by Orcus's peon.

This is one of the better threads I've read in a while. Nice posts by all. One last minor quibble. Someone mentioned earlier a minion being ravagged by a house cat. Now while I understand a high level minion will have crazy defenses and to hit bonuses... if that house cat rolled a 20 and...