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*shrugs* I liked them, but if they are as desemphatised, it's ok..

Granted, not much, may change, may be only for existing settings or not PoL, etc... there was a cryptic line or two in W&M if i remember well, bringing Lawfull and Chaotic around, the designer dude at FR brought that 'Good and Lawfull paladins are more commons than Evil or Chaotic ones' and one...

There was a quote that Order is more common than Chaos for Paladins, so....

Sometimes, a monster is just a monster, to quote... freud?

Grotesque and ugly is the point. ;)

American (and other arborigen groups, to a lesser degree) natives, amerindians, etc... The populations numbers are weirdly high, irrealist it is argued - especially with the things that happened in the real story and the added bits. All linked to the 'power returning to oppressed groups' theme...

Because there IS problems that could be worked on, solved? I means, I liked by example the world of Shadowrun, but you can be a fan and points still some problems - like the question of the anormaly high number of natives.

As in videogame, most peoples actually prefer new stuff than backward compactibility (arguably at the stake of power, in videogames's case). New editions..... more of the old or new stuff?

I think that you read too much there... They want to allow more easily online rping as the real world make things often really hard to make a group. But this is and will remains a tabletop rpg. It's strawman to say otherwise, really - lot of luddism around the web.

Fighter, for irony?

200? Are you not hyperboling? :\

The classes removed are not archetypal, really. At the base, a barbarian is a berzerk fighter. At the base, a druid is a shamanistic cleric of nature. At the base, a monk is a mostly unarmed fighter with mystical powers. And so on. If what WOTC said is realised, really, a dm should be able...

More like byzantine debates on pedantic points.

It's sad because such things always end up getting quickly kind of obsessive and leaning over byzantine debates full of bitter debates, nitpickings and excomunication. Badwrongness.

primal, I think that you nitpick details and cut hairs in halves.

And so, perhaps it's time to think what could be reworked, improved, bettered in the system... So D&D would have an edge in gamist fun. As much as the fluff also, and all that. To go beyond legacy, the % of shares, etc... as an attractive reason to play D&D for itself.

I find it sad, this obsession with the 'it is/it is not D&D' debate. If it would/is better, funner, etc to you and yet not D&D.... maybe that say something, no?

On the serious troubles in Thay, the first part... Really, Thay was anyway condemned to troubles had ANY changes to magic would have happened. Any. The whole country is a magocracy, remember - change a bit how arcane magic, and the whole edifice may shake. And note, the whole country is...

Amusingly, there was a poster here I think that argued the new system will be actually CLOSER to the magic system Vance used in those books... :D

I'd like that - relievant to my interests, as I will play a common cleric boy first. :) maybe there will be channeling of basic forces.. elements for clerics of elemental gods, necrotic for dark ones, and so on...