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    4E with 1E Feel: Does that appeal to you?

    My take on 1e "feel" Chapter 1: Thieves... oh wait...there are no thieves anymore. Back in the old days, thieves could backstab, but beyond that they were not a major combat force. With the emergence of the rogue, now all of the sudden Bilbo Baggins can pull out someone's esophagus, as long as...
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    D&D 4E Is 4E doing it for you?

    No, but I think that it is dreadful DMing as the example pointed out - a player took levels in orc slayer, then the DM never had them encounter another orc. As the DM you have an obligation in this situation - not to have all adventures revolve around orcs forevermore, but I think you had a...
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    The Videogame comparison

    Distance/speed IS wonky - - I think that's why when 4E came out and became even more grid focused, I actually "over-rebelled", and I find myself not even so much wanting to stay with 3.5, but wanting to either go backwards in D&D revs, or off to something like T20. It's harder in SOME ways on...
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    The Videogame comparison

    Well, I actually expected that to just get ignored. I guess if we're going that way, I would handle it differently anyway...simply deciding that a PC probably should not lose his life to a cart. If we're talking about a cart running wild, we're likely talking about some kind of runaway...
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    The Videogame comparison

    Here's a not at all serious but rather facetious answer: Isn't it up to the player of 4E to come up with a valid narrative reason why the 2 mph cart manages to completely kill his character? ;)
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    The Videogame comparison

    While I think that your choice of adjectives regarding the birth circumstances of 4e will likely lead to an unnecessary heating up of this thread, I will agree that a lot of the mechanics feel more like MT:G or a skirmish miniatures game than I enjoy in my RPGs. It's a little like Necromunda or...
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    The Videogame comparison

    To answer those few things I can remember as I went through the last set of posts: Matrix - - Neo challenges Smith with just the flip of his hand. I have no problem with this, because Smith is ABSOLUTELY the type to 'Come and Get It'....If Neo was using a power like CAGI, it works here because...
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    The Videogame comparison

    I guess to me, backing away from my dislike of its implication, it does seem videogamey because of the way it seems almost mystical and it sucks in enemies from all around you - it's the kind of thing I would see in a Gauntlet or Marvel:UA or similar game - - you map this to the B button, push B...
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    The Videogame comparison

    Thanks...this makes sense. I just worried that if this one Exploded out at me from the page with just my first flip through the book, there would be other powers equally bad, or there would be multiple instances where this power was seen. I think that for me, should I again attempt to run 4e...
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    The Videogame comparison

    Hopefully my last post made it clearer that I'm not talking pvp, but any power that controls a PC without consideration of stats or a roll. No monsters use it? I'll accept that without citation, but I'm wondering then (confessing some ignorance of 4E here) - - do the PCs never fight enemies...
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    The Videogame comparison

    Um...I don't think you understood what I was saying... I have less problem with a PC controlling an NPC with a freaky power that disregards all that is known about that NPC than I do with such a disregarding power that is used by an NPC on a PC. I wasn't talking about PC vs PC combat at all...
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    The Videogame comparison

    Shouldn't have used the term berserk.... The problem for me remains this: I as the DM present a storyline to which the players add. They add by having their characters take actions. While I create the overarching story, they truly have a huge role and a great deal of power because they...
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    The Videogame comparison

    As noted, I just think that my own (and my groups) tolerance for laboring to rationalize is not more than offset by the fun level of 4e. I think that maybe my point becomes more critical to me when I think about a different scenario...I realize that single situations are always problematic...
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    The Videogame comparison

    We disagree on degree of convolution (?). Also, my group for the most part engages in good descriptions on their own. I agree and am fine with the fact that HP are abstract. However, 4E for the most part (and in truth 3.5 before it) DEMANDS a grid with miniatures, and the power I...
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    EoM - Ranges and AoE

    Thanks, I was just wondering - - my 4e experience was similar - now I'm trying to somehow cleverly shoehorn your EoM rules into a True20 campaign, since T20 managed to fix a lot of my 3e issues without introducing all of my 4e issues. If you ever revisit EoM let me know - I'm playing a Mage in...
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    EoM - Ranges and AoE

    Thanks for the help - rustiness/fuzziness is no problem-I appreciate the attempt. So I'll allow them to do their thing within the area of effect even if I'm flitting about, I'll allow them to move within the range IF a range was purchased, and I'll allow Illusions to move within range without...
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    EoM - Ranges and AoE

    Quick question on Elements of Magic. I am 95% sure I understand it, but just in case. A) I cast Illusion Light and create the illusion of a man. I spend nothing on range or area of effect. The man illusion sits in the 5' square in front of me doing his thang. I then move away....does...
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    Forked Thread: Does Turn Undead need fixing?

    The JDWiker (Jediwiker?) blog (maybe Google 'Wiker' or 'Jediwiker' and 'Declassified' or something like that) had a long thread on his ideas for turning undead. I don't have the url anymore - - I've sort of dropped off lurking on any blogs/pages where you expect to see gaming stuff and end...
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    4E GSL - non core references

    One more reason why I wish more publishers would dare to take the copyright route. I agree that the 'make something essentially the same with a different name' is a neat idea (though perhaps not allowed under GSL - - what DOES constitute a no-no reworking?), I think even if this was allowed...
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    Diagonal Movement - Better or Worse?

    I was a math/physics major, and the rounding isn't a big deal for me and my nerd friends. Having said that, I think that the 1:1 movement is fine if you want to use it, and IF the 4E design was built around it you'll need to understand the complexity, depth, and range of the impacts to other...
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