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The problem is that it says maximum damage you can roll with your attack. Unless english is significantly different where you're from, just because you can do something doesn't mean you actually did it. I can roll a max of 6 on a d6, I don't need to roll a dice to find that out.

When you have +6 bracers of mighty striking, your basics do more damage than at-wills. This is even more of the case if you have a warlord in your party giving you random basic attacks.

Why would you assume you did? Rather than roll damage, determine the maximum damage you can roll with your attack. This is your critical damage. Why would it clearly say "rather than roll damage" there? Determine the maximum damage you can roll does not imply that you actually rolled the...

Reposting your flow chart does not clear anything up at all. Why would you roll [2w] when vorpal didn't trigger because you didn't roll damage die? Vorpal is explicit in that you must roll damage die to get bonus die, whereas crit says you determine how much damage you can do without rolling.

Ok, now we get to the heart of the issue. Does vorpal trigger when you deal max on a damage roll only or do you have to roll the dice. I argue that just because you dealt damage as though you rolled maximum on the dice does not imply that you actually rolled the dice. The key word there is...

Right, so what are we arguing about again? Let's be clear, when we roll a crit with a vorpal weapon: 1. 20 yay 2. I am using a vorpal longsword +6 so I deal 2[w] being epic for 16+6+whatever misc bonuses 3. I then get my final result and add 6d12 to the roll DONE I do not roll 2 more d8s...

Interesting, for me it's usually the dailies that holds the group back. But that may also because we only have 4 players. When each daily can clear an encounter solo, having to stick only to encounters hurt. I'll concede the point that in your party damage output is better. But in our Cleric...

But you never rolled the max result on damage die, the die got automatically maxed in the resolution of the critical hit. Critical hits specifically says: Maximum Damage: Rather than roll damage, determine the maximum damage you can roll with your attack. This is your critical damage. (Attacks...

There is nothing in the rules that suggest you roll [w] again after getting max damage. Unless you can pull quotes, I remain opposed.

Yes, that is correct. Vorpal never mentions damage roll at all, only damage DIE. When a critical hit maxes the damage roll, you never rolled any damage die, and thus vorpal does not trigger.

8+8+3+2+2 = 23? Then the paladin has a 2d6 extra thunder damage that is not maximized because it is extra critical hit damage. For final damage of 23+2d6 I'm not sure where the problem is. Just so we're in agreement -> when a vorpal weapon is critted, you DO NOT roll extra die for the the...

There we go, sometimes you need to cover both areas and in certain squishy parties the extra healing comes in handy.

I counter with exhibit B, where 6 warlocks take out 2 fire beetles and then promptly get breathed on by the remaining 4 for 12d6 damage and then die horribly. :) I think party composition determines what gameplan you end up following but if you've done WoW raids before you know having...

No, not at all. Nowhere in: Whenever you roll the maximum result on any damage die for this weapon, roll that die again and add the additional result to the damage total. If a reroll results in another maximum damage result, roll it again and keep adding. Critical damage is not rolled on die...

I denounce that statement since there is no proof, only your opinion. ;)

Damage rolls are clearly defined in the rules to include feat, weapon, and power bonuses. The vorpal rule clearly refers to physically rolling the dice and not the actual damage roll. In your intepretation, the maximum damage of a vorpal damage weapon is infinite since each max dice results in...

That kind of reasoning simply does not work when you have discrete cases to work with. Optimizing for damage might mean that one of your party members dies and then damage output drops which means a cascade of even more deaths, etc. It's really quite simple to die if a party member gets ganged...

It makes a certain battle archer power useless if you do it that way, so I'm going to say no from a rules standpoint. And I'm not sure of the exact wording, but I'm pretty sure the intention is that you reset the counter after a milestone...

If a cure light wounds saves a party member from death, the damage output increases significantly compared to the boost from bless, not that bless is a bad power. 4e really demands a look away from the 3e max damage viewpoint.