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If you don't like a metaplot, why not just ignore it? Why must you stoop to such histrionics? No one is forcing you to use it.

How achingly, depressingly unfunny. I mean, seriously, man. Writing in captials doesn't substitue for having anything interesting to say.

The Dwarven War-Ram of course: http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~bowell/dnd/sheets/warram.htm

I certainly did at that age. And if I've called them such, it's only by mistake. In my personal morality, the addiction to drugs is as evil as things get, but it's more the pusher-and-drug that I find evil than it is the addict. If I characterized them that way, it was only in the assumption...

Actually, that's what he's been doing all along. That's why some people have gotten hot under the collar. It's just people more sensible than me have given up on it already :).

What a refreshing hijack :). It'd probably be best suited to its own thread, but I'll reply anyway. I think something can be exciting and escapist and still make us ask questions about ourselves. Earlier in this thread I invoked the movie Swingers. There's a lot of glitz and escapism and...

At least we're finally becoming clear as to what your perspective is. This is valuable. The problem is you're putting way too much power in the hands of the writers of the Player's Handbook to make moral decisions for you. You are suggesting that you become morally endangered solely on the...

It's still doing it today. George R. R. Martin's Songs of Ice and Fire series (A Game of Thrones is the first book in the series) is a perfect example. I personally get all ticked off when elitists look down on genre fiction. As far as I'm concerned, it has all the world building stuff to do...

This is exactly my point. Morals are inheritly relatvistic. I'm not using any of my own definitions, I'm using yours. You said that if you had a character who believed he was doing evil, you thought that his player was doing himself harm. I'm pointing out that there are plenty of characters...

For that matter, a paladin who felt guilty whenever he had to go to the toilet because it was a dirty thing wouldn't be able to play in your game. . . .

So therefore you don't really have a problem with evil characters, just with characters that think they're doing something evil? By that logic, someone could play Jeffrey Dahlmer, and be okay. Jeffy boy believed he was just keeping his lovers with him so they wouldn't leave him.

You managed 1) To not read what I wrote, 2) to bring up a confusing and as far as I can tell irrelevant point and 3) to ignore the thrust of my question. I said, "Surely you must believe X is true in real life, so why can't it be true in fiction?" This isn't changing the subject. Not even a...

Then you're ignoring the text of the book, which says that there is some good in him. Are you telling me that you literally believe that people in real life are wholly only evil or good? That people are not capable of being a mixture of good and bad? Assuming you don't take that audacious...

Not so much a false premise as it is a matter of opinion. But it's a widely held matter of opinion, that I think you'd find among most people who study the English language and its writings. Protagonists who are completely unambiguous are boring, one-dimensional and predictable. Someone whose...

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Correction, he says they shouldn't be evil characters, not vile characters. The problem with the opposition arguement is that in fiction, things aren't black and white. Or at least, in good fiction, they're not. In good fiction, you're not always sure who's the bad guy and who's the good guy...

Tisk, tisk. You oughtn't ignore the guy's main point, which is roughly akin to this: A child stands in the middle of the room, stamps his foot on the ground, pouts up his face really tight and says, "I DON'T WIKE IT!" Here's the deal, folks, some things will get put into wide-distribution...

Foul. You're just not reading what barsoomcore is saying. You're saying it hurts no one. He's saying that by taking away sales from WotC, it would hurt WotC. You just keep stating with exclaimation marks and smilies that it would hurt no one without addressing his very good point that it...

ANYWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Anyways" drives me bugf*ck. I actually ended a date early one time because a girl said, "anyways." And I am also ashamed for our nation when the president talks about nuCUlar weapons. The Daily Show had a great bit about that. "And that's just...

Foul! There need to be more options. I would have, if I could, voted: 3) They don't need to be there but there's no point in errataing them out since just because you read it doesn't mean you have to use it.