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What gets me about both sides is how so few know how to engage in debate, nor show the ability of rational thought. D&D seems to sit at the very core of some people and in my opinion sets many to react emotionally and without much logic.

Then the question is: Are people allowed to come to EN world and start a thread or join a thread stating their preferences? With the caveat that people from both sides need to follow the posting guidelines here.

First, I am going to assume you mean "you" as anybody that is complaining, not specifically directed at me. Second, the thread title is "4e being immune to criticism." Are you implying that 4e should be immune to criticism? This is Morrus' house. He gets to decide what topics are allowed. If...

When the people doing the whining don't care anymore. I would expect that time to be when they: have returned to previous editions, have accepted 4e for what it is, or have moved on to other systems or hobbies.

Wow. WOTC redesigns the game in such a way that alienates a significant portion of the community and expects that significant portion to what? Go away? Keep quiet? Grudgingly buy the books anyway? This fracture comes directly from WOTC because of the design choices they made and direction they...

Currently Doc Savage (Finished two and on third) I threw Bentley Little's The Academy across my bathroom.

I will use cursed items that enhance the game by giving the characters a chance to grow. In a 1st edition game I played in, a Chaotic Neutral Fighter put on a helm of opposite alignment and his character's alignment changed to Lawful Good. We expected this to be fun since the player tended to...

I see 4e like the new movie coming out that is a reimagining of the Star Trek franchise much like Battlestar Galactica had. I would rather hold on to what made me love Star Trek in the first place than see 30 years of history get a rewrite. The new Star trek movie may be great, but it probably...

I think that would be wrongbadfun since the NPC PC would not be balanced with the PCs.

Did I just take 2d6 points of damage or 1d4 points of Wisdom damage? :lol:

I did use cursed items until one player told me that curse's effect did not work with his character build. I still play with him when I want to play Heroscape though.

Then I want Charisma bonuses added to hit points and available healing surges. ;)

Wait a second. We can have a discussion about using a Skill to do damage or even kill someone? :confused: How is that going to work at an RPGA event?

To continue with the cable analogy, I feel that their putting in levels that I would not reach until the next book is released (in March?) is like ordering the sports package in April so I can watch baseball but getting the NFL package bundled in. Sure it will be useful in five months but kind...

I am not sure I understand how paragon or epic tier rules, powers, or options would invalidate a player's character, especially with the ability to retain powers. I wouldn't see it as pigeonholing groups into a certain tier. My above post (posted after you wrote this) would expect groups to...

I would respond to your first question like this: 1. How many groups will play heroic levels over the next year. 2. How many groups will need rules for paragon levels over the next year. 3. How many groups will need rules for epic levels over the next year. I think the majority of play will...

If you have a good group I would recommend something else in addition to everything else that has been mentioned. Pick up a new game that is about 180 degrees away from what you normally play. If you play D&D then try Aces & Eights, Deadlands, Call of Cthulhu, or Dread. Pick something that is...

In my mind yes, a big difference. I would rather have one book for heroic tier than three books that have 1/3 devoted to heroic. To me it would allow more options for each tier of play to make it feel more complete. Waiting until 2010 to get a complete core heroic tier, really? And expect it to...

Absolutely, part of this discussion is not about whether the game is good or not, but about some of WOTC sales designs. I have played the game and like quite a few parts of it, though there are others that leave me wanting for better days. I have not bought the books but would play if offered...

I agree, there would be cries of incomplete either way. In my opinion it is a bad game design model. This way leads us straight down the path of rules bloat. The first eight classes are relatively balanced with each other. I don't think it likely that the next eight classes are going to be...