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I was assuming dual wielder taken as the human feat. Trying to maximize melee damage. TWF with the Int buff to damage and Haste is a very potent combination. To follow up on my last reply, we're building different characters for different roles again :P edit: Ah... but we're back to the 4 class...

This is the issue with big catch all class guides. TreantMonk has had the same issue with his utility focused God wizard guide. It's the same reason both your guides now have several notes scattered through them that say (except maybe bladesinger) or (unless you're a grappler). I just started...

Great discussion... just going to jump in on one point. Song of defense applies to any type of damage. So if you're in a situation you know shield isn't going to be enough (crits or really high stat attackers), looking at a damage type outside the five absorb elements protects against (say...

I think the Human BS decision should really be setting based. It's restricted to Elves in Forgotten Realms for history's sake. I don't think there's a rule based reason to restrict the race (Variant Human is just as broken with every other class), which is implied by the writers actually...

On the contrary, The paladin levels are incredibly efficient. By the errata'd Divine Smite, you can burn any spell slots you have. I'd therefore go swash 3 for the mobility, pally 2 for the smite, and fill the rest with BS for more spell slots. The real problem with this build is the MC...

Very important. I think BS is OP in it's RAW state. If the fight isn't big enough, save your song and let the rest of the party do their thing. But honestly, I don't know what DM is planning to throw three or more high CR encounters at a party without a chance to short rest. As far as I'm...

What I'm trying to say is that the BS dip for EK which many people are talking up, doesn't seem so great to me. I'm not using similar builds on purpose (I want to compare optimized EK, to optimzed BS, to the proposed BS2 EKX). I'm pointing out that by taking the BS dip, an EK gives up a lot of...

Go for it! I think you're right about the possibility of a multiclassing guide... There are so many amazing multiclassing possibilities with BS (as with so many classes in 5e), it's usually not in your best interest to pure BS (especially given Signature Spell's relative weakness). The EK8/BS2...

I did some number work on the EK/BS multi-class possibilities, specifically where DPR and and the new cantrips are concerned... you can find it in the other wizard thread here: http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?450158-Treantmonk-s-Guide-to-Wizards-5e&p=6818344&viewfull=1#post6818344...

It can scale outrageously with the UA Tunnel Fighter fighting style. Not to single targets, but to hordes. I proposed a minotaur build on the forums a while ago I'm excited to try someday that was all about lockdown and OA's.

EK has much more early level appeal with the addition of the SCAG cantrips. GFB and BB both represent DPR buffs at most EK levels if you can proc their secondary damage. Battlemaster for me, still has more appeal early when EK has so few spells, but I think the tipping point is is earlier now...

I've been thinking about the blue rating given to bladesinger as a 2 level dip for EK... I don't think I value it so highly in my mind. Here are some DPR maths I did for a few EK/BS combos. First a Fighter 1 / Bladesinger 19, named Alexander. This Singer dipped Fighter at first level for TWF...

I took my first level in Fighter. Gives me proficient con saves which is superb on the front lines and stacks incredibly with bladesinger and warcaster. I've thought about a second Fighter level after singer 5 so I have lvl 3 spells, but of course extra attack is at singer 6 which along with...

That would imply taking three extra fighter levels early. I feel like I'd rather play through the bladesinger progression as quickly as I can manage. I feel like other than maybe grabbing action surge, I'd delay fighter levels until late to accelerate spallcasting progression.

That makes sense. The more I tried to figure out that point buy, the more it hurt. This is what I'm playing in my current campaign. Started Fighter with TWF. DM let me play a Human so I grabbed Dual Wielder. I'll grab warcaster at 4. Debating whether I'll grab a second fighter level after...

Hmm... I had also overlooked the "both classes" stats aspect of multiclassing in 5e. While it doesn't affect my fighter/bladesinger, I'd be interested to hear how TreantMonk made it work with his PallySinger... 13,14,11,14,8,13. He mentioned longswords several times, so maybe he built strength...

I believe this whole conversation has been about "Elemental Adept", the feat, not "Elemental Affinity", the sorcerer class ability.