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I don't play 3E, never have, but I can usually find as much or more stuff to talk about here as at the other, grognardier sites. There's a fair amount of traffic with the "1E/2E/OD&D" tag, plus most topics on the general board are edition-neutral enough that I can usually manage to participate...

This is spot-on, and I think is being overlooked by a lot of people. 4E is going to continue to have the OGL, so 3rd party publishers can continue to release material and serve the print end of the market, but the digital end of the market I strongly suspect is going to be much more centralized...

Aha, I gotcha. So the fuzziness around the OD&D/AD&D transition isn't a matter of what was released when vs. what went out of print when, but rather which version was considered the primary or dominant version of D&D among the audience -- so while in 1977 AD&D tehnically existed, by virtue of...

OD&D had its final printing at the end of 1979 and wasn't officially "replaced" until the Moldvay/Cook/Marsh D&D Basic & Expert Sets, released in 1981 -- AD&D was specifically marketed as a separate game from, not a replacement for, OD&D and the Holmes Basic D&D Set was an introductory version...

Another example: Tunnels & Trolls went through 4 "editions" between 1975 and 1977, and released their 5th edition in 1979. However, after that the next edition upgrade wasn't until "Version 5.5" in 2006 (and even that was just the same 5th edition rulebook from 1979 with 32pp of new optional...

For me, this ranks as some of the best news I've heard yet about 4E ;) As far as I'm concerned The World of Greyhawk died on Dec 31, 1985 and everything with the Greyhawk logo to come out of TSR, WotC, Paizo, and the RPGA since then has been straight-up necrophilia (some of it well-intentioned...

Thanks for the explanation. It's cool to hear that you guys actually made a conscious effort to as much as possible not step on Gary and Rob's toes. :)

Indeed. I just picked up a new copy of the 1E Players Handbook at the FLGS this afternoon for $5 -- 4th printing (May 1979) with yellow endpapers and stitched binding; a lot of shelfwear on the cover but a pristine interior (except for the former owner's name on the front flyleaf -- c'mon Seth...

Don't know if you're aware, but Angus McBride actually passed away recently... EDIT: link

As with just about everything else I've read about 4E, at first blush this looks good. However, like just about everything else I've read about 4E, I suspect the more details I learn the less I'll like it, and I'll end up feeling like they've taken something I didn't like about 3E and "fixed" it...

This was the case in the original Chainmail (i.e. pre-D&D minis game w/ fantasy supplement from 1971, not WotC's aborted minis game from 2001) -- ogres and trolls were considered synonymous, and then there were "true trolls" who were like ogre-trolls but way tougher (they never checked morale...

I don't get this at all (the decision to extend the game to level 30, not the Spinal Tap reference, which I thought of independently before reading this thread). Is the game going to be rebalanced so 3E's 20 levels are equivalent to 4E's 30, or are 3E's Epic levels going to be integrated into...

My guess is more spell levels (up to 15, probably) and the whole thing rebalanced so that being able to cast all your spells once per encounter won't cause mages to totally dominate the game. The Vancian system won't disappear entirely, but I suspect it will be considerably less Vancian...

I like that guy's armor (which is stylish and 'demony' but not too far over the top), and the fact that he doesn't have any visible piercings or tattoos or a mohawk. His weapons are teh lame, and the fact that these sorts of half-demon guys are apparently going to be a core race in 4E (meaning...

Wayne Reynolds' art still makes me cringe and throw up in my mouth a little, but I'll at least take it as a positive indication that the armor/clothing looks more "classic fantasy" than the 3E style and that in the hands of artists whose style I generally find more copacetic (Steve Belledin...

I was absolutely convinced 4E was going to be announced at D&DXP 2007, and when it wasn't that threw me and made me think that perhaps they weren't going to release it as soon as I suspected after all and my thoughts then began running to WotC letting D&D's crunch "lie fallow" for a couple years...

If the rules are considerably streamlined/simplified from 3.5E and the tone, art and graphics (at least in the core books) are brought back to a more "classic fantasy" feel I might consider buying it. Since I don't really expect either of those to happen, though (the rules I think will be...

Gave this a quick flip-through at Border's today. On the one hand it looks like the designers achieved pretty much exactly what they set out to do -- a big epic adventure set mostly in and around a version of Greyhawk Castle that incorporates tons of Greyhawk-lore while remaining true to...

Re: derogatory term for 4Dventure fans, one I remember hearing a couple years ago (during a previous round of rampant 4E speculation) that struck me as particularly funny and rude was "4skins" :) EDIT: beaten to the 4skin punch :( guess you've got to be speedy at ENWorld!

I haven't been to GenCon in 10 years, so I don't know how things may have changed since then, but at least back in the 80s and 90s the notion that there were only "die-hard gamers" at GenCon is not accurate at all. Sure there were a lot of die-hard gamers there, but I'd say they only made up...