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* reviews posts since my last one * Good gravy, you were so right... I'm sorry I held out hope and doubted you for a moment! I'm out. Enjoy your discussion folks!

It's also not ethically correct to hold onto that property. Terrible behaviour on the card holder's part in my opinion. It's the hired goons bit where you're losing me. Ease off that please? Hyperbole never strengthens an argument. What is it about Pinkerton that is bothering you here?

I understand your argument. I'm not a lawyer. I can only comment on what feels wrong or right. The product belonged to Wizards. The store who passed on the cards had no right to do so. The person who had Pinkerton show up at their door may or may not have been aware of this. I suspect that they...

Not seeing the relevance of this. The store had their product pushed out where they didn't want it to be. They wanted it back.

Fair enough. Someone showing up at your door rather than a letter from a lawyer? I can see a case for either side. Part of what Hasbro was dealing with here was time sensitivity, which may be what precipitated calling a collection agency. But I get what you're saying. That aside, in this...

Well put. Thanks for a well-reasoned response. Okay, so what specifically happened in this particular event that makes this additional context relevant? The fact that folks make mention of this without tying to this an issue with the situation being discussed is what 'the other side' considers...

Yeah, that's not great. Trying to have a discussion with someone who is super duper sure and can't be budged off their pulpit... I have better things to do with my afternoon.

Okay. Can you show me an instance of this?

Going to collect something that belongs to me is likely to involve a collection agency unless my property is down the street, in which case I would just go myself. By the way, a collection agency is step 1, not fetching a lawyer. I get you're associating Pinkerton with some sort of...

Right. I made the same point here. There comes a point though when a different conclusion is reached based on different life experiences, agreed. And that's expected and perfectly valid! The world is made up of shades of gray, as well as all the colours of the rainbow. All good! The problem...

Sure. But Wizards would still have the right to request the return of their product, regardless of how many hands it had passed through? It's a similar argument to: my car is stolen. The thief sells the car to an unsuspecting dupe. I request the car back from the dupe. What's the outcome?

Look... to me, what happened is pretty clearly what you laid out. The facts, common sense, human nature... all of these back up what you're saying. But speaking of human nature... folks need to have their world view validated. It's scary when that world view is threatened. So people will stand...

There's no need to apologise. If a topic is of interest, folks are going to talk about it. Healthy and natural. I agree though, that all opinions and facets of the argument have been laid out and scraped bare. No new ground to tread here. Not trying to quash discussion, but I don't think...

See my post right above yours.

It's entirely possible that this is what has been/is happening. It's one possibility. Cogent analysis, well done. What gets up my nose is when the 'analysis' consists of viewing the situation through a microscope whose lens is built from one's...

You kind of did @Oofta! Your intent is not what @Shardstone is implying though. @Shardstone , you're right that corporations do get away with a lot that they shouldn't.

I get what you're saying. I think I (generously) allowed that view from that post (I hope that was clear from my response). Having said that... I'm sure those sorts of managers are out there. I have worked in many, many (many) work environments. I have run into exactly one of these folks. When...

A person's emotional gut reaction is going to get into the way of a rational look at a situation. All human beings suffer from this, me and you included. The way we are wired, events in our past... all of that contributes to that primal reaction. I'll listen to that and empathise, and hug you...

This is a super weird post. Someone who went to college for a chosen profession... was into parties... as a result makes them into micro-managers, squeezing something out of a turnip. Which also somehow translates into not respecting the work of those they are managing. What are you talking...

They thought about it, but couldn't come up with as good a pun as 'Dungeons and Drag Queens'.