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A surprised creatire cannot move or take actions in the first round of combat, regardless of initiative. They can, however, take reactions after their turn has passed, so the Orc War chief couldn't attack the assassin first, but he could take a reaction when the assassin shoots, provided he had...

*shrug* I still think it plays smoother than the alternative. Like I said, the actual in-game differences are almost negligible. It's mostly a *does this feel right to you* kind of thing. To me it is the most natural interpretations. I don't find it strange that other people have other ideas.

I agree. The internal reality of the game world means a great deal to me. Notice I said I might not grant the reaction in that case. I was just throwing together the most over the top scenario I could think of off the top of my head and mentioned that you could explain it narratively if you...

Bingo. :D

Not bad at all.

That's why I said the effect of surprise, namely the lack of being able to take a reaction, has worn off. Yes, there is debate as to whether surprise as affects the assassin ability Assassinate has worn off at that point. Personally I think it has worn off for the reasons I've already stated...

Surprised beings can't move or take actions, but they can take reactions after their turn in initiative order has passed because the effect of the surprise has worn off. That's why the assassin gets advantage only against cretures that haven't yet taken a turn in combat. Too slow, and he's...

There have been example that demonstrate how this would work narratively. Yes the assassin is hidden at the start of combat, but in attempting an attack, he gives his intent away somehow, e.g. a glint of sunlight off the arrowhead, target hears the creak of the bow, whoosh of the arrow, or...

Not sure about the balance. I mean the assassin is already hidden at the start or the target wouldn't be surprised, but you'd have to determine if they stay hidden during the attack. You'd have to judge when to grant it. Seems kind of messy. Edit: I was think an all-round boost to assassin...

Maybe active deniers like atheists sap the gods' powers much more than simple non-believers. That would be fun to roleplay.

Warlord? Isn't that just a bard who can't sing? :p

This is a trope I've noticed is sorely missing from D&D. Where are the warriors who know they are dying but use a last heroic action to save the day / take the enemy with them / give inspiring or cryptic last words? The universality of always being unconcious before dying irritates me. I've...

Is it just me that thinks speed + stealth is a nice thematic enhancement to the assassin class? What's missing is a class oriented way for assassins to boost their reaction times.

I think the surprised Monk55 rolled a low initiative and was unable to react to Morrus' crtical hit. :p

I would play it the same way in that example, but for different reasons. I've said before I think the difference between our interpretations is pretty minor in actual play. I play surprise (or the effects of surprise if you prefer) as starting when the target notices a threat and ending as soon...

...and the assassin being hidden at the start of combat does not imply he remains hidden after attempting to attack. Edit (Adding an example): An assassin is hiding behind a boulder and surprises a target walking nearby. The assassin attempts to run out to stab the target. He loses initiative...

I would say yes, since the requirement for twinning a spell is that it targets only one creature.

Shield is not really the issue. The issue is being able to react to an attack after being surprised. The rules specifically grant that ability. The attacker being unseen is irrelevant at that point. Just because an assassin was hidden at the start of combat doesn't mean he can pull off an...

WRONG!!! <-------- Look I can do it too! Shouting doesn't make it right, and in this case you are wrong. Apparently you object to the Shield spell in its entirety since it allows precisely this and not just with regard to surprise, but any attack. Riddle me this, oh genius: If a...

But if the assassin is too slow, his stealth is irrelevant as the victim does have time to react as is clearly stated by the fact that after the target's turn has passed, they can take reactions.