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FWIW when I play a wizard, especially at lower levels, probably half of my spellbook is rituals because of their superior ritual feature.

Agreed. My experience with Battle Masters, for example, is just that--mine. No one has played a Battle Master in my games or any I have played, either, except for the one I was just playing. When I realized after several sessions I never actually used anything from the subclass, I asked the DM...

That isn't one I have really heard much of, if any, but it is an interesting view so I'll update the OP. :)

That is a bit insulting, you realize, don't you? Otherwise, explain it. How does my comment say more about me than the quality of the Battle Master?

First, THIS IS A (+) THREAD. Please do not post something like "Everything LOL". Justify your reasons (hopefully more than just "I don't like them."), or please don't bother posting. Thanks! :) Common issues I see complaints about are (in no particular order): Poor players who feel Wizards...

Admittedly, the only classes I wanted gone were Artificer and Mystic. After that, it has been about subclass for me, not class.

I can't agree with Battle Master being good. Frankly, I've been playing one for a bit now and I've yet to use a single maneuver. I just don't need them and forget about them more often than not. I'm more than happy with any of the others, though.

CORRECTED SCORES: Barbarian: Path of the Totem Warrior 16 Bard: College of Lore 9 Fighter: Battle Master 16 (post 679 to 680) Paladin: Oath of the Ancients 17 Ranger: Gloom Stalker 1 (post 671 upvoted but did not increase score) Rogue: Thief 20 (post 679 to 680)

Barbarian: Path of the Totem Warrior 22 Bard: College of Lore 17 Fighter: Battle Master 13 Paladin: Oath of the Ancients 23 Ranger: Gloom Stalker 14 Rogue Thief 16

Artificer: NONE. Don't allow it in the game and won't ever play it. Barbarian: Totem Warrior. I like the thematic and features are strong. Bard: Lore for great skill monkey and quicker magical secrets. Cleric: Knowledge for skills and don't care for most other subclasses. Druid: Moon, because I...

Sure, I had Gygax answer my letter when I was 12. It was pretty cool, and I so wish I still had it! :(

That is well beyond the bounds of a wish IMO and IME, but it is always up to the DM. 🤷‍♂️

They are entirely unnecessary, but that isn't the focus of the thread and I don't want to derail it further. :)

This makes no sense to me at all.

None. Remove subclasses entirely. They do nothing but decrease player imagination and add power/features. (There is some merit in an archetype design to help players define a direction for their PC, if they really need one.) Wizards, more so than probably than any other class, can define itself...

Barbarian: Path of the Totem Warrior 28 Bard: College of Lore 18 Druid: Circle of the Shepherd 9 Fighter: Battle Master 20 Paladin: Oath of the Ancients 23 Ranger: Gloom Stalker 29 Rogue: Thief 24

IME unless you are "in a gamer setting" (hobby shops, campuses, etc.), finding players has been more difficult. As older adults, I've lost players mostly due to conflicts such as family, work, moving, etc. At this point, my Saturday "group" is almost to the point we hang out, talk shop, etc...

I concur. However, you forgot: Wizard: School of Abjuration ∞ ;)

Barbarian: Path of the Totem Warrior 30 Bard: College of Lore 19 Druid: Circle of the Shepherd 21 Fighter: Battle Master 26 Paladin: Oath of the Ancients 28 Ranger: Gloom Stalker 31 Rogue: Thief 29 Wizard: School of Abjuration 4

Path of the Totem Warrior 37 College of Lore 19 Circle of the Shepherd 23 Battle Master 33 Way of the Kensei 6 (correction from 492 to 493) Oath of the Ancients 30 (correction from 492 to 493) Gloom Stalker 37 Thief 31 Pact of the Fiend -1 -- You made a deal with the devil, and lost. School of...