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Surprised it hasn't been mentioned yet....or/and/but I'm just old... Piers Anthony, the "Magic of Xanth" series. PS: NO idea who "Beth" is, but I gather she sells these...at a bargain, apparently. I just wanted some cover pix.

Are Priests Divine? No. Priests are devout. They serve and perform the functions of their religions (which for most good, law/order, or neutral aligned ones includes serving their communities). Not all priests in a given religion, in my world/setting, are automatically spell-slinging...

I presume you're talking about in-game fantasy religions, here? Cuz in the real world, even what we may know about ancient polytheistic systems, this happens preetttty much for/in any of them. For thousands of years across thousands of cultures, priesthoods gain and maintain position and power...

My spells are all worked into four core groups. Arcane, Divine, Nature, and Psychic (mental powers, not "spells," but that's a different thread) Then the main 'general" Arcane list branches into individual lists for certain specialists whose archetypes are strong enough to warrant their own...

I would think any number of scrolls, amulets or other items that can provide a banishment (4th or 5th level in 5e, I believe) spell. Protection from Demon scrolls. A decanter/chalice of endless holy water. Fire resistance/ immunity items. Permanent magic circle (3rd or 4th level spell, right?)...

The other way, of course, if people don't like breaking down/differentiating casters by their "kinds" of magic, then it could be done by -properly- changing where classes sit in the "full-or-some percentage" caster across all kinds of magic. That is, what I mean is, give every "type" of magic...

Gotta page through the ole mental catalogue...most/many of mine have already been brought up... I have others, but guess I have to wait for future days to post them. (What's the point of that, exactly? Seems more irritating than anything else. Also, more likely to dissuade participation...

Hmmm, the wheels are spinning... spitballin' on a Wed. afternoon... for a possible framework for lessening spell dependency of certain casters and differentiating caster types... Mages, and other magic-users who access Arcane Magic spell lists learn/study/practice their spells. The standard...

Personally, I'd be totally fine with just nixing level 9 spells. Altogether. Make them magics that the mortal species simply can not deal with/work with/comprehend. They're "god magic." Or something. Need a Wish? Find/trap a djinn or efreet. Seek out/steal the god of time's hourglass to Time...

How do you think people would respond if the list of cantrips (or spells of vaguely "cantrip-level" descriptions were made "Level 1 Spells?" Then level 1 become 2nd level spells, 2nd become 3rd, etc...If you didn't get Fly or Fireball til 7th level...I think there would be riots in the streets...

Cantrips = "0 level" spells...so, 0-9...10 spell levels. I know we had 9 spell levels before we had cantrips. But it does make for 10 levels of magic. Just pointing that out. Also, looking at it now...I am not opposed to changing the progression to the above suggestion. If we're giving 3 at...

I believe in the core idea -and it's not mine, so I (maybe) shouldn't be trying to explain it- but for those concerned with the "lack of equal power" of casters that have 7-9 spell levels vs. those having only 5 or 6. I think the proposition is that Warlocks and Bards (in particular) would cap...

Interesting. The PF1 Advanced guide was Alchemist, Cavalier, Inquisitor, Oracle, Summoner, and Witch. Looks like they went for a straight "big 4/core class archetypes" and that's all. Investigator, in PF, is generally used as a Fighter sub-archetype. Witch is the "arcane caster/wizard"...

The Witch (and Summoner and Oracle) are in the "Advanced Players Guide." For PF1. I don't know if/where they are for PF2.

I think this is a great thing to look at and think about... As I said above, the "specialist school" structure as/for "Wizards 31 flavors," it might be very cool for the next edition (and other systems) to take the various flavors of specialists and make them different casters...not just...

I don't know if a breakdown of 16 magic topics is necessarily the way to go. ..30ish spells per grouping, divided across (let's say) 9 spell levels. It is certainly doable, of course. You need to use more than 3 or 4 spells per level, though...simply to provide the "greatest hits" of different...

I am 100% behind making classes feel different. I am 150% behind making casting classes feel different from each other. I am 173% that there is too much/many casters doing too much casting in 5e. AND, I am 187% -maybe 200- having different casting classes, not just feel, but play differently...