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No. Because some of us are doing some of the same things as others who don't share some of the others. There's no way to separate people off in any coherent fashion, so the best you can do is feel out the common ground, and talk about that, and if you don't find any acknowledge that fact too...

I'd be interested to know how they're doing so reliably, however; I played a gunslinger, and there's actually fairly few ways to push up your crit chance much (largely because guns are Fatal weapons, and as such do massive crit damage when they can). I did some really robust damage on occasion...

And the people you're responding to disagree with that "necessarily". I don't think that's that complicated. Talk to the people who have an issue here. I'm personally fine with minions/mooks; if I wasn't, I wouldn't be running 13th Age.. But that doesn't mean I can't realize you're working...

Yeah, the only games where weapon swapping doesn't have some cost is ones where the weapon choice virtually doesn't matter.

Eh. I suspect your expectation for "stand up to melee" is different than mine. Given their AC isn't much different from most classes (Champions excepted) and get a x8 multiple, I consider that adequate; its not what a Fighter, Champion or Barbarian will get, but its not what most of the...

Because "in fiction" (that is to say, in the theoretical reality of the world as perceived by characters in it) the minions aren't theoretically more brittle than anyone else including in many cases the heroes; it works that way because they serve different narrative needs but those aren't...

Still kind of comes across as swallowing the whale and choking at the minnow when virtually every humanoid opponent you fight after the first level of the game is a narrative conceit, just because minions are a different narrative conceit.

Anybody can be killed by any serious weapon strike, really. The whole D&D hit point structure (at least as it applies for human-like entities) is a fictional convention and high order combat pacing abstraction.

There's a lot less bonus types in PF2, and a couple of the ones that remain are hard to get on-demand.

I think that's not actually assuming the "in-fiction" part there; its just a typical fictional convention for that kind of fiction, and that opponent is, if anything, presented as dangerous and going down that fast is a bit of a surprise (because most likely it doesn't represent anything...

There's some issues with "Let's go through the classes and pick out the things listed there. Then let's look at the skills and see what we actually want good there. Then the non-class feats and do the same. And then, if we're playing a spellcaster, go through the options there. Oh, and let's...

Yeah, Staffan's post a couple up shows why looking at similar problems will often have somewhat similar approaches (Payn's not wrong either, but I suspect even if the PF2e designers didn't overlap with the D&D4e designers some of those solutions would have arrived at not-dissimilar places).

And honestly, in PF2e, rogues can hold a front rank if they have to (so can an investigator far as that goes); there's not that much variance in AC, and they aren't so low on hit points its not doable. Its just far from optimal. I don't think that actually changes my position that there are...

That would fit my experience with other games where there's a lot of mechanical interplay among characters, but it also matters how frequently new tools in the toolkit become available; the more often then do, the more discussion you need to have about applying them.

inevitable, no. But when addressing some of the problems, they're not an illogical one, either.

You haven't noted me saying D&D is a good choice for simulation play. I didn't think so a half century ago when I cared a lot more about that.

Yeah, those are intrinsically sort of action-fees, and if people get focused entirely on the combat applications, its going to feel bad. And of course sometimes PF2e breaks out things into separate actions that probably should be rolled into one. Regrip may well be the poster child for the...

This is a big part of why I've given up on CRPGs.

Just a couple quick comments here (I thought your objections were legitimately constructed and held here for the most part, though I don't on the whole share them). 1. As I mentioned earlier, there are cases where the way certain action things in the action economy do, indeed, seem overly...

And to bring some of the PF2e discussion back to topic, this is to some extent the way you get the most out of it. This is very pronounced with some classes (the Redeemer subversion of Champion comes to mind) but applies to some degree with almost all of them.