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The licenses are not to be mixed. Material that floats under copyright law is not restricted by the 4e GSL. The GSL says not to mix the OGL with the GSL, that is, one license is not to be shared with the other. So anything that requires you to post the OGL in your product cannot be used with...

Okay, so instead of dropping out because they're wrong, they drop out because they lack evidence and don't feel like pushing it any further. If you'll note in the What is it about the GSL that is really a deal breaker? conversation that I concede amicably when people provide facts. Thus, I don't...

I'll accept that. I'll keep that in mind. Quid pro quo, don't assume I'm talking about things like the cause of the OGL being the reason for its failure, when all I'm talking about is the contract's wording, or assume that I think when a company loses money that another company is making the...

By the way, I never said that WOTC lost as much money as third party publishers gained from the OGL.

I edited my post before you responded, I'm still lacking the "zero-sum" meaning. Yes, I'm late in the discussion. Yes, I make mistakes. Yes, I'm human. Need a blood sample?

Actually, that is an indictment, and unfounded to point it out of me and not everyone else, because everyone gets on the wrong side of a point. I'm just one of the few that actually admits it. Everyone else just drops out when they find they're wrong in a conversation, so you can't actually say...

I don't know how I glossed over that subsection. I thought I read it through. I agree, that subsection alone is enough for a deal breaker in itself. So we have: 1) No cushion period for discontinuing OGL products in product line conversion (Subsection 6.1) 2) No cushion period for termination...

In that case, I already addressed that. But I'll say it again, there is no such provision. That clause only requires court costs to be paid by the licensee in the case the licensee loses at court, not if it wins. Again, no court in the world would allow the winner to pay all the court costs no...

Well said. But there is also a difference between a promise and a contract. A promise is a statement of intent. It's nothing more than a stated goal. A contract (in this case, a license) is legally enforceable and is understood by both parties to be a contract. Politicians break hundreds of...

I had posted that I have had no such problems, but when I posted the link, behold, the page was down. However, regardless, they have a responsibility to uphold their end. If the site goes down, they cannot claim that the information was available, so your concerns are void. What does that have...

If your points were to be taken together, then it's all 1 point, not 4 (not 3, actually, because your third is not true). First, the site is not down, and hasn't been down in some time. Only the forums have been going down, not the normal web pages. Second, I'm not sure what the point of script...

Also, Nagol, I don't get your number 3. The 4e GSL is available for free download without membership to WOTC's website.

I believe the topic was concerning deal breakers, not every little minor irritation. You may think 4 is, but it's not. WOTC gets to review all works, meaning if they approve it, you're clear for publishing regardless of any change that occurs between their approval and printing. Seeing as WOTC...

Ah yes, you got me there. I was thinking of line 13 in the OGL. Even still that doesn't make 4e's termination clause any less standard practice, and as I said, this contract applies to any product produced under it indefinitely. So WOTC can't terminate the contract later and then say that a...

1. The right to terminate was also in the OGL. It's a standard part of every license. 2. This is the 6.1 part. It is indeed flawed. 3. Again, this is another standard part of any license. 4-6. The GSL does not say WOTC can take anyone's IP. What it says at 10.3, where I think you got that, is...

Yes, you are correct. I'm afraid I wasn't thinking about that aspect. But that is how I believe it works, yes. On that aspect, it costs money to start a whole new line and you can't be sure it will be successful. Though it does leave room for turning to 4e as old lines die out and new ones are...

HalWhitewyrm is correct. Numerical values are not covered in the GSL. The problem is where the stat block formats differ. 4e stat block format is unique to 4e, so they will still have to use the 3e mechanics of the 3e stat block to do the best they can to mimic the 4e stat block without...

The deal breaker is that OGL made companies dependent on d20, and subsection 6.1 in the GSL requires those companies to completely drop their d20 lines in order to adopt 4e, instead of allowing them to slowly shift into 4e and phase out d20. Thus, it costs them, especially the magazines, a LOT...

Well, you see, that's called "information". I now have names associated with it. Now there's something to hang a hat on that didn't exist in this argument before you pointed out the names and clearly identified the situation. Even still, I seriously doubt it's about people pissing their name in...

First, "different ideas about the direction" is a variable being introduced that cannot be assumed. Second, businesses don't change practices for the sake of change. Change is expensive. If they changed, it's because the potential income would be benefited by the change. The amount of change...