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Except itself. Until now. I like 4e because they have claimed that you will easily and reliably be able to change it to model other fantasy literature sources than D&D. I will admit it will model them as badly as it did itself, but at least it can model them as well.

Yes, that was my point. This is all you will get. Invalid points. The real argument lies elsewhere.

This^^^ I like waht I see so far.

I think that early on I was one of those stating that 4e was for everyone. I have definitely changed my tune. I think that any story can be told in 4e, if not necessarily in the way that all people like to tell them. 4e is different. I like the change in magic systems. The only reason I ever...

You are not likely to get any examples that hold up. You will get examples, there will be arguments, master swordsman will come on and give their opinion, historians will give their opinion, I could give an opinion about wounds (I am a former paramedic and current medical student), but it will...

I have questionable tastes when it comes to things offensive. Ask my wife. I have gotten very good at saying, "I am sorry. That was tasteless." I still like it that I can find tasteless stuff on the internet though.

No, but I would say that avoiding the "realistic" arguments are good if we actually want to make sense about fantasy. ;)

EDIT: Reply to Rechan Right, making it a problem with retraining and not the multiclass rules. I Thought that your pre-rec feat reference was for the multiclass feats. Sorry, my bad.

Thank you for explaining that HSB. I can respect that. I also think that 4e is not the greatest game for doing what you want. It seems to require fortune in the middle to make things consistent in-game. I like that. It makes playing easier for me. I am very happy that D&D has been enabled in...

I don't think that is what he means. He means that you could use a new feat for a prerequisite and retrain into the higher level powerswap feat for fireball. Good point, but that seems to be a problem of retraining and not multiclassing.

I am a father. I feel basically the same as massawyrm about bratz. The way that he goes overboard on the other end is a function of satire. He isn't a proponent of mollestation or bratz. That is the satire part. This style of literature requires a sense of irony and humor. I could go on if it...

Good thing for you Primal, you can't just start tossing fireballs the day after deciding to become a wizard. You start with the wizard multiclass feat. That gets you an at-will that only works as a per-encounter. Then after two levels with that (as I recall, you get a feat every two levels)...

Fair enough that you don't like fortune in the middle, but you have to admit that the way you are talking about it makes it seem like you are referring to it right? I mean a fortune at the end model allows all the narration at the beginning, then you roll. It happens or it doesn't. Fotrune in...

Emphasis mine. Funny. This looks like fortune in the middle. I like it. Very flexible, and avoids the WTF moments. Not very sim though.

The game world is still there. You can equip whoever you want with your crappy kobold army. It's just that the rules don't deal with it. That is what your description is for. Why do you need a rule to tell you that you can do this? There was a quote I beleive upthread that says that there are...

This is actually disappointing. Looks like I have just found my first house rule. Not sure how I will go about it, but allowing a multiclass character to go from classX(classY) to classY(classX) sounded like a great way to model growth in a character. Easy patch I am sure though. Does this mean...

^^^ This is perfect. No value judgements about any style or edition. Game on in the way that suits you.

It is about killing things and taking good stuff. There are rules about taking good stuff. There was a preview about magic items and treasure. They decided to skip adding the rules about taking crappy stuff. They figured that if they gave good rules for the good stuff, maybe GMs would give that...

The automatic damage mark is the paladin's. He is a divine character, not a martial or mundane character. On to more important things, the gravity, commerce, etc... of the game are still in, in about the same way they always have been. Not as rules. It is only the things that require agreement...

I see all the fluff changes in 4e as stupid. I will not be using them. Dragonborn, teiflings, I would rather not put them in my campaigns. The cosmology is also dumpable. I have never used the core cosmology. With that said, I think that the new rules are more fun than the older rules. They...