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What about all the spells?

It's interesting that 5e was supposed to be a game of three pillars, and "bring back" exploration and role playing interaction. And yet, almost none of these subclasses ever have anything but combat abilities.

It is strange what abstract game rules upset people in a game full of abstract rules.

You mean, like all real human beings?

This thread has 4e in the title.

Does your character talk about saving throws? Their hit point total? Their feats? Their armor class? Their proficiency bonus? Spell levels? Challenge ratings? Experience points? Don't those terms break immersion?

Entirely serious. All the guy does is give XP to posts he agrees with and laugh at posts he disagrees with (ie posts that are pro-4e.) It's troll behavior that gets around moderation because he never actually posts. I come to the site, see I have 3 notifications and think "Gee golly, I wonder...

This guy just trolls people with opinions he doesn't like with "laugh with this post", but never actually contributes with posts. *snip link* -Darkness It's pretty annoying.

The reason is because that's not how D&D traditionally does it. That doesn't make it a good idea.

Yeah, how D&D traditionally does it is stupid. It's the same thing with summoned creatures. And wild shape/polymorph/etc. Weed out the complexity, the imbalance, the clumsy implementation and go with something streamlined and usable. But unfortunately 5e doesn't do that with most rules.

Yeah, that's what you're doing.

Hey Jeff Albertson, All you do is click XP for posts knocking 4e and click laugh for any post in support of it. Why don't you actually post your opinion instead of being a passive aggressiveness troll?

Pemerton, these people are just trolling you. It's a waste of time.

Putting a straw into a Capri Sun juice pouch can break the focus of even the greatest hero.

And this is why natural language and rulings not rules and no errata is just terrible.

People have already listed some good ideas. I would say, look at TV shows and even movies now. They used to be heavily episodic and now they've moved into being heavily serialized. Ongoing, elaborate stories are the norm now. Not "monster of the week."

Certainly. And by no means do I think every 4e answer is great. But 5e never even asks the question.

4e generally has much better fluff. Not necessarily because any specific component is better, but because 4e asked the question "Is this bit of fluff actually interesting and useful in play?" That's a great question.

I ban players who don't understand what a pet peeve is from my game.

Many classes have abilities that are not spells. Even magical abilities.