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Given that dragonborn, eladrin and warlords loom large as "the implied setting of 4E" for me, and mechanics come secondary to getting the world behind the game right, then yes, I can't see 5E as anything other than Fourth Edition 2: Electric Boogaloo (now with added Castles & Crusades*). *: If...

Leak from someone over on dragonsfoot who talked to a playtester; called it a "slightly crappier version of Castles & Crusades." Given a choice between a streamlined OSR type game with or without 4E implied setting stuff included, the choice for me is easy to make - without, it makes far too...

I don't discount them out of hand either. They probably belong in a supplement somewhere, but not in the core, in the first PHB. They do not belong there, just as PC race mind flayers probably don't, and I like illithids. Don't want them popping up all over the place as part of a typical...

Your 4E edition failed. Why don't we ignore it? Dragonborn, blink elves and warlords might have something to do with that. Mod Note: Edition Warring - don't do it. Really. We've had enough. ~Umbran

I'll direct you to google for my thoughts on the warlord, if you're really interested. I shouldn't be surprised at it's return - apparently it's a Mearls invention based on his Hunter class. Anyway, this is an early indicator of 5E's design style. If I don't like that, probably not going to...

It's as much what you leave out as what you put in. I'm not barracking for a team here, "Team Grognard" as you might put it - adding oldschool classes means nothing if they include a core class that has no archetype, a misnomer of a name, and violates suspension of disbelief. I have no desire...

Warlord in the core game again, eh? Well that saves some time. Goodbye 5E, you are already too reminiscent of 4E.

Actually, if you look a little closer, my list contains 3eisms such as sunrods, tanglefoot bags, double weapons and spiked chains. It's not an anti-4E bias, but 4E is the worst offender in terms of making a mess of the implied setting, IMO, so I can see how you could jump to that conclusion. I...

Seems pretty clear that they've chosen the path of "4E take 2", there. No semantic disclaimer will change the way people interpret and use the initial set of races and classes. It'll also affect all 5E artwork. I don't see how this can be anything but just 4E's "everything is core" all over...

I think some of you are missing the point. I'm not saying D&D as a whole shouldn't have all manner of wacky races and classes available, but to those of you talking about Arduin, what say we put Flying Sharks in the 5E core as a race? FR, GH, DL etc. now get Arduin Flying Sharks as a common...

Yeah, well, WOTC have a choice as to whether they're making "4E Take 2: Electric Boogaloo" or not, and including the 4E implied setting in the core would more or less ensure that IMO. We'll see.

Disagree - much harder to ignore or remove stuff than add it. Core races and classes tend to "infect" artwork, supplements, flavor text, examples and settings into assuming they're there, reminding you they're there, and you feel like a grinch telling someone that such and such a class or race...

WOTC probably don't care, but that would be a dealbreaker for me. I'm secure in the knowledge that I'm not alone though - plenty of people don't share the 4E vision of a D&D world, and might continue to stay away if eladrin and dragonborn make a reappearance. It would bollocks up any attempt...

Druids and rangers have both a fantasy and a D&D tradition and pedigree. They'd be fine; I don't think they belong in the same sentence as "warlords" (in the 4E redefinition of the term) and "dragonborn", both of which are pretty contrived and IMO don't deserve core status. A starter box isn't...

Wacky weapons and equipment such as double-ended swords, spiked chains, glowsticks and gluebags. Classes which lack a solid fantasy archetype (e.g. mystic theurge, warlord). Races which aren't classic fantasy enough to belong in every D&D world (e.g. warforged, dragonborn). Heavy orientation...

Based on what D&D has been for every edition prior to 4E (and the latter days of 3.5 which led to 4E e.g. mystic theurge and other contrived classes with no archetype), I think to avoid needless complication maybe it may be time to look elsewhere for your fantasy RPG needs? In D&D done...

Nah, stuff that 4E eladrin retcon bollocks. 1E Moonshae (pre-novels) is my favorite part of the Realms (and the Korinn Archipelago within that, if an undeveloped microcosm is called for - see, there are corners for newbies there, no need to nuke the place). Ironically for you, the original...

From what I've seen of the results, approaching design from a metagame perspective and trying to kludge on archetypes/"fluff" as an afterthought is likely to result in gamist dross that is at risk of disappearing up it's own behind and mapping to little in even a fantasy reality. That's what...

I repeat to the Greyhawk fans (of which I am one): After what current time WOTC did to FR, do you really want them messing with Greyhawk? The pre-spellplaguemess Forgotten Realms were more commercially viable than Greyhawk is in it's current state, and they performed major surgery that left...