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But a good DM isn't required to stick to those anyway, right? In fact, 4E has in many places encouraged changing the flavor of the appearance, society, and even the racial powers to suit what you feel that you want to do. In some of the books they even include the examples of doing all of...

4E simply focuses more on the mechanical aspects of how monsters are different from each other, but is lighter in the fluff of why they are different from each other. From the player's perspective, the mechanical differences are a lot more obvious than the fluff differences, unless you have an...

I've already addressed your arguments with sources that backed up what I was saying. I didn't argue any of this out of my memory, because it was long ago and my memories of it are very vague. I went to these sources out of curiosity regarding what happened and found the facts that I stated...

Are you just trying to be antagonistic here? "These issues" as those that I had just addressed that were a mere subset of the issues being discussed. Not every single detail of the events being compared are analogous (hence my comment).

I tried looking for information on this, and really there was nothing to support or refute this. However, I also could not find any information at all regarding their being any shortages, or that Classic was hard to come by once it was reintroduced. The closest thing I could find on this was...

What's to explain? The point was that New Coke wasn't some complete disaster which there was a huge universal (or majority) backlash against it that was being implied. It simply wasn't like that. The backlash was created by a pretty small group of people, that made a lot of noise. Once they...

I don't really see that as being an appropriate analogy. However, I think it would be more accurate for your analogy to go along with something like they own the stadium, they let people come in and play and even charge admission to the games, and then suddenly say this is private property and...

You are wrong, and I've already countered this argument earlier with several quotations that that display that the 4 sentence Snope Summary of the time period between the launch of New Coke and the reintroduction of Coke Classic isn't anywhere near a complete picture of what occurred. It wasn't...

You know... the Hybrid Class rules (already previewed in Dragon Magazine), while not a complete construction set for classes, do give a good example of breaking elements from classes in order to create a customized character. With a good 22 full player classes released so far, and 272 possible...

First of all, you are trying to extrapolate from the example things that are going into topics completely other than the point I was trying to make. The example was given to show an instance where a product that people really identified with was taken away, and that a small vocal minority...

Maybe I'm in the wrong forum to suggest this, but I think the skill system is actually pretty much fine as is, however I think we should all broaden our horizons on how it's implemented. One of my personal criticisms about breaking old 3E skills under 4E skill umbrellas is that it really takes...

You emphasize a few words and ignore everything else? The point was that the the switch to the new formula wasn't the disaster that was portrayed, but the whole controversy gave so much attention to Coke in general that bringing the old flavor back made them even more popular than if they...

I think your memoery of this event might be skewed a bit. Here are excerts from Wikipedia on the subject (and I didn't even edit them first!). In the end, the whole fiasco actually benefited them quite greatly. The switch back was a huge success.

I hope not. I hope that one day the flames die down. I prefer 4E, and I'm not interested in playing 3E, but I don't hate it. I had a lot of good times in 3E for a time also, and 2nd Ed, etc. I'd like to be able to discuss ways that both games can be improved, maybe find some middle ground...

I could see that happening. I could easily see an ugly cycle of hate of a system turning into contempt towards players, which could turn those players against both the opposing players and the opposing system in return, which fuels even more, and the whole cycle feeds on itself to the point...

That's not really what I'm trying to say, and that might be my fault not being skilled enough in expressing myself clearly. I'm trying to separate the "edition war" and the animosity towards the respective editions. I think they are two different (albeit related) issues. I agree that much of...

Just ignore it. It's a conspiracy theory conspiracy theory. ;-)

Actually, I used to follow 3E threads. The reason I stopped was because many 3E threads and forums were like little clubs where it was ok to bash 4E and 4E players. Sure I saw trolls on both sides, but the difference was that since you were on their turf, it was acceptable to take shots at 4E...

I have mixed feelings on these subjects. In some ways, I'd like for there to be more freedom allow someone to say be an eagle-eyed character with great perception, but not necessarily great listening as well. On the other hand, breaking thievery into 4 different skills (like in 3E) was really...

I'm not sure you are interpreting what I'm saying as what I'm meaning to say. I'm not saying that there aren't players that are hateful and spiteful to eachother on both sides. I'm saying that the actual hatred for the *game* itself seems less from 4E players than 3E players. That's something...