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Are you saying its a zero sum game? There is a finite amount of good and evil available, and once one side runs out, the other has won for ever? In thousands of years of real history and thousands of years of fictional histories, where has this ever been the case?

Why? Heroes die or fade away, empires crumble from without or within, a new evil is always arising somewhere, and while vigilance can hold back the darkness, content brings complacency and a loss of vigilance. You can save the town, save the kingdom, and then save the world, but that doesn't...

Only until our next dark age.

I don't play tons of video games, so bear with me here, but how exactly have they been getting dumbed down? RTS games have incorporated increasingly sophisticated resource gathering and unit tactics. Empire building games have incorporated more and more facets of society into their models...

Can these slime operate giant, cutesy tanks?

Something amusing about the whole quest system argument is that in the original thread, it was criticized by some as giving the DM too much power to railroad the party. Now we are seeing it brought up again, but as a way to marginalize the DM. Now, this could point to a cadre of posters who...

I never got any indication from the article about quests and quest cards that the developers were even suggesting that one put the XP reward for completing the quest on the card. The quest cards sounded like a simple book keeping tool. Don't confuse the system for rewarding XP for completing...

Very true, but rarely does one hear objective points used in discussing the relative merits of different cars or RPGs, hence the confusion. It also didn't help that you used the automobile that started the company and one of the automobiles that may end up killing it. :D

Actually, I think you're trying to red herring with the powers from the sample Pit Fiend. Munstrum sounded like he was complaining about all the irrelevant options that one must take into account when building a monster to 3E's formula, and the fact that those options were systemic. Under the...

I can't tell if this is a simple, new car/old car metaphor or a more elaborate, chintzy sh*tbox/icon of American culture metaphor. :)

But that wouldn't help sell buckets of miniatures.

I'm not saying the Horde are good guys, but the Alliance isn't golden either.

Not to mention that neither faction in WoW is inherently good or evil. They're just opposed to each other.

Oh, I know their back story and all. To be more specific, they're holy, extra dimensional space aliens, which is still nothing like Tieflings.

Oh no, man. Your initial post read to me like, "I am the final arbitrator of what is and isn't a WoW-ism in 4E, and I will not lower myself to argue over it," instead of, "I'm not going to put anything silly on the list." That apparently wasn't your meaning, so my bad :) As for the powers...

Kender.

I thought they were space aliens. They live in a frikking space ship.

While the secondary slots do come across as pretty "gamist," the items themselves add new effects instead of modifying core values, so I doubt changing the number of secondary item slots or getting rid of the system altogether will have as great of an impact on character power as it did in 3E.

Here you come off as incredibly self important. Also, what's with people posting things they don't want to discuss on a forum dedicated to discussing things? As for your list, I think you missed a big one: Everyone has combat powers with a variety of effects and conditions for use. This is...

But I use punctuation, my droog...