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Have you read the skill descriptions in HERO? Or better yet, have you read Ultimate Skill? These are well designed, robust, story driven rules. And it isn't just two rules. If you really want to compare 4E to HERO, just look at the full skill list and the Talents list and the disads list...

What is the point of an intro adventure if it doesn't intorduce you to the game? I think your logic is irrational and flawed frankly. Either WotC botched the job, which worries me about the rest of what 4E has in store, OR this really IS the game, in which case I'm equally worried. So far...

Let me preface by saying I'm not trying to be a jerk when I ask is...I'm trying to understand the differing opinions. What IS a roleplaying game to you? In other words, what does a game system have to include to be able to honestly include the words "Roleplaying Game" somewhere on the...

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Psychic? No need! Here is my evidence for my argument: - A $30 book dubbed "An Introduction to Dungeons and Dragons" that professes to show you what it is like to play the game. - What is your evidence to argue against me? Are you psychic? Because I'm basing my opinions off a product that I am...

Lots of folks will scoff but just flip through Hackmaster. Check out the Quirks and Flaws section, the character background section, the drinking and taverns rules. Just because folks aren't aware of these games doesn't mean they don't exist. Even 3.0 and 3.5 spent a good deal of time on these...

I guess I can't say anything here except that you are wrong. Please pick up your 1E, 2E, Basic, 3E, and 3.5E books and take the time to read through them again. I don't have time to do the research for you.

Sorry, but WotC and Hasbro aren't wet behind the ears newbie game developers. When they put something out they've hashed over what to include and why. Maybe they got it wrong (they have before) but I can't believe they'd release an introductory game unless THIS is the game they want to introduce...

So, after reading past another comment that attacks my qualitifications to have an opinion, it sounds like your definition of a role-playing game is one with ongoing game play and advancement of characters rather than any rules that govern character interaction and the development of that...

Do you not READ my post? I don't need rules to roleplay. I can roleplay with ANY game, but if you don't need to include roleplaying rules to be a roleplaying game, what IS a roleplaying game? By that definition, EVERYTHING is an RPG. Monopoly is an RPG by that definition.

That seems a strange approach. If the module is "introductory" the goal is to teach players WHAT the game is. Now if it were called a "conversion" module, designed to teach players about what was different I'd believe your argument. Look, if this is an introductory module, what WotC is telling...

Not civil, but at least something to work with. Thumb through the rules included with the module. Tell me how many lines of RULES are focused on role play vs combat. Next look at the encounters...the adventure. How many non-combat encounters are provided? Do they spend much time explaining...

First, the examples you give that involve combat are just more minis tactics and not roleplaying IMO. Second, regarding the other examples, I didn't miss these. A few sentences here and there that refer to personalities and the ability of Bruce Cordell, an excellent writer, to add some story to...

Elaborate, please. If you're going to attack my opinions on the subject at least give me the opportunity to defend myself.

Huzzah! What he said!

Seriously, were you playing the same game? Ever use reaction rolls? Ever read the modules all the way through and read the complex interelationships the writers created for the monsters and ways they might interact with players? Sure, not every adventure but many of them. Ever notice that combat...

I think though that the point is that 4E doesn't seem to focus on that style of play. Rather, it is HERO QUEST 4E with the D&D name. Very cool. Very fun. But just look at the structure of the game as set forth by WotC. It's absolutely an "uber minis game" rather than a true RPG. Is that bad...

Oh, come on. Look at the rules. They are GREAT but they're the heir to Warhammer Quest or maybe "Super D&D Minis". I think he has a valid concern and you can't just write it off with a critique like this. Even the pre-release news tells us this is all about Encounters. And when you read an...

Ever play a 3.5 game past 12th level? Trust me...based on that they haven't given me a lot of hope that they've truly thought everything through.

You've always focused on one fight at a time. That hasn't changed. But I guess what I'm wondering is if a 5 minute rest heals 25% of your HP, why WOULDN'T you retreat and heal up? Unless your GM doggedly pursues you with an endless swarm of wandering monsters until until you drop, a smart party...